Congratulations, you just made the case for a strategic British Space programme. Either that or give up on an independent deterrent.
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perfectgeneral |
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Posts: 680 ( 9-Jul-2009 17:19:35) |
Congratulations, you just made the case for a strategic British Space programme. Either that or give up on an independent deterrent.
Lord Palmerston, "The British Army should be a projectile fired by the Royal Navy".
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Nauticus27 |
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Posts: 140 ( 9-Jul-2009 23:25:26) |
I was still labouring under the impression that Typhoon plans were still, offically at least, pitched at 7 operational squadrons plus OCU and OEU. Maybe
I'd missed the official announcement of the reduction to 5 but in any event this written answer from earlier this week certainly confims it (Hansard 6 July
2009 Column 557W):
Bill Rammell: On current plans, once the RAF's Typhoon fleet is at full strength it will consist of seven squadrons; five front line squadrons supported by an Operational Evaluation Unit and an Operational Conversion Unit. The distribution of Tranche 3 aircraft across these squadrons has yet to be decided. |
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AndyMed |
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Posts: 128 (10-Jul-2009 02:40:32) |
perfectgeneral wrote:That wouldnt be such a bad thing. Under the control of the RN of course...lol |
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Jim WH |
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Posts: 1302 (10-Jul-2009 03:28:21) |
Nauticus27 wrote:Bugger. Not to put to fine a point on it. |
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Zen9 |
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Posts: 4439 (10-Jul-2009 13:16:37) |
Indeed and nothing wrong with that either, but the politicians will suggest we cannot do it, and they are lying. We can its just a matter of willpower to direct the finances. |
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Trouble |
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Posts: 286 (12-Jul-2009 23:41:22) |
"Equally, they're conducting the helicopter assaults in comparitively benign conditions - i.e. not against heavily defended air space, requiring the
close co-ordination of AEW, Fast Air, AH, artillery, support helicopters and Hercs. "
Errr, try telling the Black Watch that, but book the ambulance first, and their operations include all of your list. As do those of many other battlegroups and company groups in Afghan over the past couple of years, hell, even the logistcs patrols involve all those. Your point supports concentrating those capabilities in a single formation, because as Ive now mentioned several times, its the grouping of your air assualt-para capable combat support & CSS elements in the brigade that really make it effective (compared to the old 5 Aib - 24 Amb Bdes) and I see no purpose dispersing them across two weaker formations even if on paper they result has more troops. Much more useful would be another light brigade or 2, which is acheivable within the force structures (as evidenced by 11 & 52). With the mass high end air assualt role you mention being a 1 per decade or so event then 16 is more than adeqaute to provide that specialism as 3 Cdo does the amphib. so use the rest of the line brigades for numbers & sustaining operations on a more modular basis (each Bde able to operate as a mixture of mech and light roled battlegroups with asociated equipement and vehicle fleets, as all have and are doing, but a clear and overiding lesson from ops is that all formations, armd-mech-light-air-cdo need ready access to lots of helos, attack, utility and support. |
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