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Admiral Beez |
How do fuel gauges work on fighter aircraft? |
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Posts: 4530 (12-May-2008 19:00:50) |
I was looking at a fuel gauge on a motorcycle, and realized that whenever the bike leaned, the gauge would misread the fuel level, as the float in the tank
would be affected by the leaning motion. This got me thinking that on a fighter aircraft, measuring the fuel in the internal and external tanks by either a
float or weight system would be even more flawed due to the changes in gravity-forces. If the fighter is upside down or turning sharply, does the tank or gauge
compensate? Or, is the fuel measured purely by amount used minus the amount loaded prior to takeoff? Perhaps the pilot inputs the fuel load into his flight
systems prior to engine start-up, and then the fuel pump measures the number of rpms or fuel used in order to give an accurate reading to the pilot?
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Posts: 3744 (12-May-2008 20:19:26) |
Admiral Beez wrote: Most modern jet engines use digital electronic controls, which include either mass-flow or volume-flow measurement transducers, so (in theory) the fuel remaining is just initial fuel minus the integral of the fuel consumption over time. Of course, that can get broken as combat damage may make the quantity of fuel in the tank drop rather quickly. Since most aircraft turns are coordinated, e.g., there is no "lean," a float (or something analogous) would be perfectly good for the most steady-state conditions. How the remaining volume in a tank is measured varies, including, iirc, floats, ultrasonics, and measuring the pressure at the bottom of the tank (that last would need to be compensated for accelerated flight conditions). I would expect that most aircraft use a combination of integrating fuel consumption over time, to get one measure of expected fuel remaining, and a fuel gauge.Note that as long as "g" is positive, the volume displaced by a float is constant, as the weight of the float is equal to the weight of the fluid displaced (Archimede's principle), and acceleration has exactly the same effect on the float and the fuel in which it's floating. When "g" is negative, the fuel will fall to what is normally the top of the tank, and a float valve will be confused. From my (limited) light aircraft experience, trusting fuel gauges is not a good idea. They don't work worth a darn.
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Posts: 2931 (12-May-2008 20:42:39) |
Commercial aircraft are also subject to such errors.
The B767 calculates its fuel state by flow-meters in each engine, which accurately measure how much fuel is used. This total is subtracted from the fuel loaded, giving fuel remaining. If the initial number is wrong, then bad things happen... Google "Gimli Glider" for one such incident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider |
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Posts: 4531 (12-May-2008 22:29:59) |
How do you measure fuel load during in-flight refueling, especially during radio silence? Presumably you could hold up a note saying I just gave you 500
gallons?
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Alexius55 |
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Posts: 290 (12-May-2008 23:11:09) |
Couldn't the fighter just measure flow rate through the pipe from IFR probe/receptacle to tanks and integrate over time, just like with fuel use? Also, IFR
is usually carried out during straight and level flight -I have heard of cases of it being done in a shallow dive, but nothing more challenging to a fuel gauge
than that. Incidentally, the shallow dive was Victors refuelling C-130s flying from Ascension to the Falklands and back (36 hours) in 1982. The minimum speed
of the Victor was less than the maximum level speed of the C-130!
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Red Admiral |
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Posts: 1865 (13-May-2008 00:50:56) |
You've got a bad gauge on your bike. Fuel gauges are overdamped so that vibrations do not cause the indicator to move. If you lay the bike on its side for
a few minutes, the gauge should move, but from normal road use it shouldn't make a difference. With period aircraft you'll most likely have a similar
system, with possibly more damping to compensate for the greater motion.
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Admiral Beez |
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Posts: 4532 (13-May-2008 01:15:12) |
It was a mate's bike. My own machine, a 1969 Triumph T100S does have a gauge, nor a reserve petcock so you know you're out of gas when she stops. When
I lived in Fredericton I never passed a gas station, even if I needed only a litre or two since once you were in the woods, you never knew when your next fill
up was.
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Michael Hoddy |
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Posts: 188 (13-May-2008 04:08:29) |
Admiral Beez wrote: At least in USAF tankers (don't know about others), once the plane gets on the boom, there's also a closed-circuit com link available between the boom operator and the plane on the boom to allow communication without going on the radio. |
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Posts: 238 (13-May-2008 18:30:32) |
I know some civilian aircraft have capacitive fuel sensors in the tanks (though those might only work effectively in level flight). I would hazard a guess that
most fighters have them as well, to supplement any fuel-flow based system.
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Admiral Beez |
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Posts: 4534 (13-May-2008 19:02:44) |
Michael Hoddy wrote: Ah, now that makes sense. |
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