The Greatest Scam in History
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Posts: 2123 (26-Apr-2008 22:05:16) |
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Nightwatch2 |
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Posts: 3524 (27-Apr-2008 00:30:27) |
that it is, and its already starting to unravel. This will end up being the new benchmark for scams in the years ahead.
Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
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jim3au |
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Posts: 1464 (27-Apr-2008 00:35:15) |
There have been a few other scams in history that we can look back on and know that we were scammed.
So far there has been a bit of research on climate change and the mechanisms and drivers of it. I do not see any of the research as being wasted. It has every chance of being as useful as research into ancient Egypt and I do not begrudge that research either. If in ten years time the Arctic is a warm and friendly place with cruise ships packed with tourists sailing backwards and forwards, I would not think that the research is wasted. If on the other hand, the Arctic is frozen solid and talk of the North West Passage is a joke amongst shipping company executives, I would not think that the research is wasted either. Of course, if a big meteor strikes the North Atlantic in the early 2030s and destroys civilisation as we know it, some survivors might argue that the research had been misplaced but that will still only be one point of view. Scam is too harsh a word. Research scientists have forever had to sell their research projects to skeptical investors and that is not going to change any time soon. To call any endeavour to sell research into climate change a scam is just silly because the same epithet could be applied to almost any research at some stage. |
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Nightwatch2 |
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Posts: 3527 (27-Apr-2008 06:39:47) |
jim3au,
I agree that the research is not wasted. the reason I say its a scam is because of the premature rush to a political/economic/scientific solution that is focused on only one theory with all other theories being denigrated in a propaganda campaign. We have pointed out numerous areas were there are, shall we say, questionable assumptions which the so-called science is based in order to push a specific political agenda and financial scam through phony carbon trading. That makes it a scam.
Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
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jim3au |
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Posts: 1465 (27-Apr-2008 10:38:05) |
The weather forecaster fellow did not say that exactly. He complained about people being panicked into wasting tax dollars and he was annoyed at people being
panicked at all given the evidence such as it is. He also raised the very interesting point concerning people pushing their agenda for a world government.
That is not a new idea and different issues have been used to push for a world government over the last century. there is certainly an element of this in the push to limit greenhouse gas emissions, but for the rest, I am not so sure. A few tin pot companies pushing for their solar water heating units or some other individual assuring the world that his solar cell will solve the world's energy problems. These people a re to disorganized to pay bills on time. They are too small time to affect government policy. they certainly cannot out lobby the oil companies, or the coal companies or the aluminium companies etcetera. He said that he did not know of a scientist who felt their tenure was at risk because of their holding a contrary view but he did know of people in the media who felt that they could only espouse the pro-global warming viewpoint. I mistrust entirely the stockbrokers and merchant bankers who get hot flushes and worse every time they see government opening up an opportunity for their particular brand of salesmanship. We have a premier in the state of NSW who is excited to the point of mania over privatising the electricity generating assets presently owned by the state of New South Wales. the thinking is that what used to be worth thirty or forty billion may only be worth twelve billion now. What I know is that the clever merchant bankers who organise the float of those assets will get close to a billion in commissions flowing through their hands. For that there are a lot of rich men who would sell their honour. A carbon credits market could end up being a bigger market than people think. It would be the big commodities market. If it were just politicians involved, I could see it as an [organised] scam. |
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brianm |
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Posts: 379 (30-Apr-2008 18:25:14) |
Whether or not its a scam, it doesn't come close to religion.
There is the biggest scam in history. |
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kell553 |
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Posts: 800 (30-Apr-2008 21:15:20) |
Brian: Takes an awful lot of FAITH to come up with a comment like that.
If I'm wrong, I spent some time reinforcing and teaching my children the basic tennets of humanity and humility. If your wrong...well, no ice cream in your future. |
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Nightwatch2 |
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Posts: 3539 ( 1-May-2008 00:52:36) |
it is both amusing and very telling that it is the absense of faith that has largely fueled the rise of the new religion - Radical Evironmentalism.
Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
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Posts: 59 ( 1-May-2008 11:19:58) |
"it is both amusing and very telling that it is the absense of faith that has largely fueled the rise of the new religion - Radical
Evironmentalism."
and at times quite strange. Hearing a died in the wool leftist atheist talk in religious terms about AGW ( I've posted the accusations previously ) is at first most disconcerting. |
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JNiemczyk |
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Posts: 6269 ( 1-May-2008 11:29:00) |
Nightwatch2 wrote: As the old saying goes 'once people stop believing in God they'll believe in anything'. |
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JNiemczyk |
Doubt is cast over global warming | ||
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Posts: 6270 ( 1-May-2008 11:32:35) |
Emily Beament
Researchers attempting to model what might happen to the climate of the North Atlantic over a period of decades suggest that the temperature of the sea and Europe and North America may cool slightly. The researchers said the North Atlantic had variability on a 70 to 80-year cycle and the meridional overturning circulation (MOC) - a giant "conveyor belt" that brings warm water northwards into the area - had an important role to play in driving those fluctuations. When the circulation is strong, it creates warmer temperatures. The study created a model that used sea surface temperatures and attempted to simulate the variability of the MOC in a bid to predict climate over coming decades. The model - tested by comparing retrospective "predictions" against what has actually happened - suggests the MOC may weaken towards a long-term average, leading to slightly cooler temperatures in the North Atlantic. Sea surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific will remain unchanged, the scientists led by Noel Keenlyside of Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences, Kiel, Germany, said. Writing in Nature, they said: "Our results suggest that global surface temperature may not increase over the next decade, as natural climate variations in the North Atlantic and tropical Pacific temporarily offset the projected anthropogenic warming." Commenting on the study, Richard Wood of the Met Office, Hadley Centre, said the model suggested the weakening of the MOC would have a cooling effect around the North Atlantic. "Such a cooling could temporarily offset the longer-term warming trend from increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. "That emphasises once again the need to consider climate variability and climate change together when making predictions over timescales of decades." But he said the use of just sea surface temperatures may not accurately reflect the state of the MOC, which is several kilometres deep and dependent on factors besides temperatures, such as salt content. If the model could accurately forecast other variables besides temperature, such as rainfall, it would be increasingly useful, but climate predictions for a decade ahead would always be to some extent uncertain, he added. |
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