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mjg1008 |
USS Kitty Hawk for India ? |
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Posts: 2 (23-Feb-2008 07:39:48) |
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Posts: 2818 (23-Feb-2008 21:40:58) |
Too manpower-intensive & too old, having been in continuous service [except for shipyard work periods] since her commissioning April 29, 1961... nearly 47
years ago.
By comparison, INS Viraat (ex-HMS Hermes) was commissioned on November 25, 1959... 1 year, 5 months, 4 days earlier. Kitty Hawk has a total crew of ~5,600, Viraat has a total crew of ~2,100. |
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Posts: 54 (23-Feb-2008 22:34:28) |
I imagine that KH has been SLEPPED sometime in the 80s or 90s.
If so, and if she has been well kept in this last period she should be in better material condition than HMS Hermes. Hermes was laid down in June 1944, in a period when british skilled labour force and building materials were not in the best condition, accoding to some authors. A crew of 5600? Not a major problem for a country like India (about five times more population than USA...). And we have to consider that the alternative is called ex Baku... |
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Posts: 2819 (24-Feb-2008 05:05:44) |
Hermes was heavily refitted in 1964-66, and again in 1986-87 before her transfer to India. She has been refitted several times since then (most recently
6/99-4/01 and mid-03 to 11/04), and has steamed far fewer miles and spent fewer days at sea since 1986 than Kitty Hawk has since she completed her 12/87-8/90
SLEP.
A USN CV SLEP is designed to extend the useful life of a CV by 15-20 years... and Kitty has used 18 of that. Yes, she probably could last a while longer, but she is really nearing the point where upkeep would cost more than her usefulness could justify. |
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Posts: 3 (25-Feb-2008 00:23:49) |
"Yes, she probably could last a while longer, but she is really nearing the point where upkeep would cost more than her usefulness could justify."
Which is probably why they're considering selling her to India. |
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Posts: 1331 (26-Feb-2008 23:10:48) |
To have Kitty Hawke"s armament upgraded and the ship refurbished for a hundred and fifty million would be one of the biggest bargains of all time except
for the other part of the package. See how much Australia is paying for her Super Hornets.
There are many billions of dollars of aircraft specified there, if the aircraft are new. However at the end of the purchase, India will have the most potent carrier not owned by the US Navy and it will have it in a couple of years instead of a decade. According to the article, the carrier will be good for ten years by which time India should have other carriers ready. If those aircraft were new purchases, she will still have the aircraft when the carrier has reached the end of her useful life. Those aircraft are highly likely to be the most capable aircraft in the Indian Navy in ten years time. The only way to get more capable aircraft will be to purchase some from the United States. Once the Indian Navy is operating the US aircraft, they are going to know exactly what sort of capability loss there will be in operating alternatively sourced aircraft. If India wants a very powerful carrier operational in a couple of years, this is the only deal worth looking at. Of course, once the carrier is used, India will be operating US gear into the future. |
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Posts: 2822 (27-Feb-2008 21:48:24) |
2 points.
1. According to reports out of India, the renegotiated deal for ex-Gorshkov has been finalized, and work is to resume. 2. US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has said that in his talks with India, Kitty Hawk was not a subject for discussion, nor has an offer been made. It appears someone got a "what-if" confused with reality. |
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Posts: 2823 (28-Feb-2008 03:48:14) |
For reference for my post above:
1. http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080042366 2. http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/28kitty.htm US not offering Kitty Hawk to India: Gates A Correspondent in New Delhi | February 28, 2008 01:36 IST United States Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who is visiting India, on Thursday denied that he has come with an offer to give India the aging US aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk. Speaking to a select group of journalists over breakfast in New Delhi, he brushed aside the speculation, saying, "Even I have heard about the rumour." In the last couple of days, there were reports in the Western media that the US would offer Kitty Hawk to India. One weekly even reported, "When US Defense Secretary Robert Gates visits New Delhi late in February, he will be carrying a signed letter from President George W Bush, offering a better deal for India than the one they have been struggling to get out of Moscow for four years now." But, Gates flatly denied that the Kitty Hawk has been offered to India. The weekly speculated that the Indian Navy would reportedly be offered the soon-to-be decommissioned USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) aircraft carrier for free -- provided it agrees to purchase 65 of the newest model Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to be operated off it.
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28-Feb-2008 03:51:41.
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Posts: 572 (28-Feb-2008 08:59:08) |
Oh hell no, giving one of our carriers for free when we taxpayer pay for it and get nothing in return... I am glad he said no
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Posts: 42 (28-Feb-2008 16:58:57) |
Apparently, per a blog this morning, India is going to send 100 of their shipyard workers to Russia to "help" with this new, re-re-revised deal to
complete the rebuild of this old Kiev class tub.....wow, with deals like this............. Sure, I believe, uh-huh. DFO
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Posts: 8 (28-Feb-2008 18:16:25) |
yeah, probably not enough vietnam welders.
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