Italian 15" nearly as good as US 16"/50

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FreeloaderUK	Italian 15" nearly as good as US 16"/50	Lead	[-]
Posts: 42 ( 9-Jan-2008 23:17:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	even though the US 16"/50- fires a much heavier shell- the power in both guns in sidearmour penetration seem to be really similar, its only for deck armour penetration that the 16/50 is visibly superior. the 15" seems to have a longer range aswell. http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNIT_15-50_m1934.htm http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7.htm has anyone noticed this too?
emc	<	#1	[-]
Posts: 3391 (10-Jan-2008 01:50:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I suspect so. I believe it's even mentioned in the Nippon Kaigun site and on navweaps.
dunmunro1		#2	[-]
Posts: 1324 (10-Jan-2008 01:54:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Look at the barrel life.
Joshua Kintner		#3	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 292 (10-Jan-2008 01:56:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah the Italians built some excellent ships. But you can build the most excellent ships in the world, and still not win if you have poor people manning them or leading them. And timid leadership was a big factor on the part of the Italians.
NewGolconda		#4	[-]
Posts: 3004 (10-Jan-2008 02:23:44) Commonwealth Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	presuming you can solve all of the problems nessasary to build and operate a heavy shell, high velocity gun, then the Italian gun is an excellent choice if you think WWII BB fights will be fought at 15,000-25,000 yards. If you think BB fights will be solved at 30,000+ yrds range - the USN solution will be superior, at least in its effect after the shell hits the target.
Joshua Kintner		#5	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 293 (10-Jan-2008 03:49:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	So, the Italian gun will probably be good for night-time engagements, while the USN would be good for daytime engagements, seeing as there is a distance difference between the two?
NewGolconda		#6	[-]
Posts: 3008 (10-Jan-2008 04:55:21) Commonwealth Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think you will find competing opinion in navies of the time, and in gunzels apreciation today about exactly what was an effective daylight range for WWII battleships, with opinions ecomosasing both those range bands quoted.
borys68		#7	[-]
Posts: 2298 (10-Jan-2008 06:39:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ahoj! I've read on the other board that firing the 2700lbs shell, the barrel life of the USN weapons was some 80 shots. True? Borys
Fermi2	BS	#8	[-]
Posts: 3077 (10-Jan-2008 07:08:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Joshua Kintner wrote: Yeah the Italians built some excellent ships. But you can build the most excellent ships in the world, and still not win if you have poor people manning them or leading them. And timid leadership was a big factor on the part of the Italians. Start reading history and stop believing propoganda. Mike
Nathan45		#9	[-]
Posts: 224 (10-Jan-2008 07:16:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	borys68 wrote: Ahoj! I've read on the other board that firing the 2700lbs shell, the barrel life of the USN weapons was some 80 shots. True? Borys With the 16"/50 at 2500 fps, barrel life was 290 ESR. http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7.htm see note 9. For the 16"/45 at 2300 fps (And presumably the 16"/50 firing special charges to get 2300 fps) barrel life was 395 ESR. http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-45_mk6.htm see note 4.
borys68		#10	[-]
Posts: 2299 (10-Jan-2008 09:12:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ahoj! Yes, I know. But I'm fairly sure I read - on the battleships or warship designs board - that these figures are for the 1900 lbs (thereabouts) HE shell. Not the 2700 lbs APC. The note 9 mentions HC only, not APC. Borys

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Italian 15" nearly as good as US 16"/50

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