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Ripples in the water...A LT divergence question |
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Posts: 714 ( 3-Oct-2007 02:33:37) |
On travel and while driving a thought occurred to me. There have been A LOT of RN losses in LT. Probably over 20K men lost. I realize that it would be quite
a task, but has anyone thought about checking the rosters of all those ships to see what historical personalities have been GT'ed out of existance? How
many of Britian's WWII's political and naval leaders are no more?
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Posts: 8470 ( 3-Oct-2007 02:58:11) Generally Obscure |
Ouch!
Of course, the Great War's land losses dwarf the naval by an order of magnitude even in LT. Perhaps, if LT closes the war out in an Armstice even a few months early, say before the last German historical Western push, the Q might better be what about the - what? - 60K that lived! Australia would also be affected for the better, as many of their losses did not happen at LT Gallipoli. |
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Posts: 715 ( 3-Oct-2007 03:03:31) |
I understand that the sea losses dwarf in comparission to those on land. I was just idily wondering if say, Sir John Tovey might happen to have been stationed
on the Erin in May of 1915 for instance.
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Posts: 880 ( 3-Oct-2007 04:43:57) |
Actually that's an excellent question. Will Kitchener be lost, what about Kiplings son, will changes done on the Western front, no front in Italy, changes
in the Med. and other changes that have occurred because of LT change the future? Hemmingway, Sassoon,Kipling and others, how will there works heavily shaped
during the war be effected? Nice can of worms to try to open up....
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Posts: 716 ( 3-Oct-2007 04:59:08) |
Moi?!?!?!
The...the ...THINGS that I get accused of! |
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Posts: 298 ( 3-Oct-2007 08:40:01) |
Prince Albert Frederick Arthur George Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, the future King George VI, served in the A Turret of HMS Collingwood during the OT battle of
Jutland. I do not know when he joined the ship or the fate of this turret in LT.
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Posts: 315 (30-Oct-2007 14:12:36) |
ViribusUnitis wrote:This is an interesting question Jim. What effect would the loss of the Kings second son have on both his and the country's will to continue the fight?
Just reread Churchill's debriefing of the King. Prince Albert wasn't hurt in DK but was he transfered to another ship seeing Collingwood was in the yards? This could be a serious delta if he was on one of the ships in the current battle and was Killed or seriously injured.
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Posts: 548 (30-Oct-2007 15:48:32) |
Just reread Churchill's debriefing of the King. Prince Albert wasn't hurt in DK but was he transfered to another ship seeing Collingwood was in the yards? Could you just imagine the uproar if the Prince was commanding one of Napier's units that got sunk and he is now a "guest" of the Baron. Hey, witht he Baron a relative of the Kaiser - the Prince and Letters could be cousins! A family reunion on the high seas! |
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Posts: 5414 (30-Oct-2007 16:56:08) |
In the LettersTime universe there is unlikely to be a major European follow-on war. However there will certainly be some leadership changes all around.
If WWI ends in 1917 then Baron Manfred von Richthofen will likely survive, to become head of the Luftwaffe by WWII. Gen. Falkenhayn will remain OHL chief after defeating both Russia and France. His protege Gen. Mackensen will become the next OHL chief before Falkenhayn dies in 1922. Gen Mackensen is one of those people (like Gen Lettow-Vorbeck) that lives practically forever (1849 to 1945 for Mackensen). Gen Mackensen could remain the OHL chief until at least the mid 1930s. Lothar von Arnauld de la Periere is a likely candidate to become head of the U boat force by the mid 1930s, ILO Donitz. And there is no reason for this superb submarine officer to die in an aircraft crash as happened historically. KK Lantz could become head of the Abwehr when the German military intelligence services are combined, ILO Admiral Canaris. Or he could request a transfer back to the "fighting fleet", becomming Grosse Admiral by the WWII era. Bornholdt could get recruited into the newly formed Abwehr, in return for a scholorship to complete the advanced college degree that he desires. If Lantz turns down the job, I have no doubt that Bornholdt could rise to the top and make the Abwehr into a very effective intelligence organization. Borys is not well liked by the KM brass, but is a legendary torpedo boat commander. With Baron Letters backing he could become head of the KM Zerstorer division in the post war period. Imagine 100 DD commanders who are more or less clones of Borys. Only they are equpped with proper blue water capable ships. ~2,500 tons 6 x 12cm/50 main guns 8 x improved 60cm torpedoes with 500kg warheads. Radar when it becomes available in the early 1930s. In the unlikely event that Kapitan Zeithen & crew survive the current operation then he is a good candidate for Grosse Admiral by the late 1930s. I doubt Baron Letters simply hangs up his uniform in 1917 and writes his memoirs. If he does not immediately become Chancellor then Foreign Secretary (with Hindenberg as Chancellor) is a reasonable possibility. Lettow-Vorbeck will also be a political player in post-WWI Germany. |
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Posts: 6 (30-Oct-2007 20:49:36) |
Hindenberg ??excuse`his name is HindenbUrg!!!
Hindenberg is something you eatlol |
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Posts: 333 (30-Oct-2007 21:22:40) |
To add a correction, the rank is Grossadmiral - Grosse Admiral would be the 'tall admiral' or (a) great admiral, it's like in Frederik the Great
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