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Jun 18 17 11:29 PM
'Course, if you want a real man stopper go back to .455" Martini Henry. Red coats too while you're at it, and bring back flogging.
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sergeante wrote:The original AR-10 and the civilian AR-15 scaled up to .308 are not the same firearm. They have a lot of the same DNA, but scaling back up a scaled down derivative does not guarantee anything.
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Jun 20 17 5:08 AM
bager1968 wrote:I'm not proposing the re-re-scaled version... I'm talking about new production of the late-model AR-10 itself (which was bought by several nations, who considered it very reliable and VERY accurate)!
There are a few problems with that...
The refined version of the AR-10 was in effect developed at Artillerie Inrichtingen (the actual manufacturer; Armalite was an R&D shop). When they got out of the AR-10 business, they discarded all of the technical drawings, material specifications, etc. So there's no technical package from which to make the improved version of the AR-10. I'm not even sure there's an existing tech package on the Armalite prototypes.
You're going to want a flat-top upper receiver with Picatinny rails. That means that the charging handle protruding through the top of the receiver would have to go. The consequence of that would probably be starting with a scaled-up AR-15 receiver anyway.
We have learned a lot in the last 60 years. We're certainly not making the original AR-15. Why would we want to make the original AR-10? Because it was reliable? So is the modern AR-15. Because it was accurate? I bet Faxon could make a sub-MOA barrel in 7.62mm if they wanted to -- if they aren't already.
Jun 20 17 5:10 AM
Rebcop wrote:Also would the full auto or burst fire capabilities be eliminated? After all in 7.62 it would be a waste of time and effort.
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sergeante wrote:Another thing that was learned over time was that a service rifle in the full power category should weigh somewhere between 9 and 10 lbs. Jacking up the base diameter and length of the case by a factor of about 1.25 would lead to a very heavy rifle. It seems like the very lightest .338 rifles weigh over 10 pounds. And that's bolt action. Add a gas system and a recoil management system, and you easily get a 15-16 lb rifle. That's not going to be acceptable as a service weapon.
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Rebcop wrote:Why not just redesign the projectiles. A hardened steel core should make the 5.56 penetrate better than 7.62. I did test on Kevlar vest years ago and found that smaller hi velocity bullets penetrated better than larger bullets. I.E. the .38 super was the best followed by 9mm. To me it makes sense to try different ammo before a new heavier system. Also just how much body armor is being run into by our troops. On 7.62 full auto , the reason to dump it is because you are already limiting ammo supply with a heaver weapon and ammo.
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