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Feb 4 17 5:40 AM
sergeante wrote:I must be losing the plot here. What happened to removing the magazine, pulling the slide to the rear, and inspecting the chamber?
Feb 6 17 3:11 AM
Dave AAA wrote:I should think that a loaded chamber indicator is a convenience to the user rather than a replacement for a proper safety check. It's quicker and less work than going through the entire drill, especially if action is imminent.
Feb 6 17 7:11 PM
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sergeante wrote:Dave AAA wrote:I should think that a loaded chamber indicator is a convenience to the user rather than a replacement for a proper safety check. It's quicker and less work than going through the entire drill, especially if action is imminent.This is where you run into one of the few religious opinions that I actually subscribe to -- practice good habits and don't rely on technological gimmicks.
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Feb 12 17 8:47 AM
Dave AAA wrote:It rather depends on why you're checking for a loaded chamber. If it's to ensure the weapon is safe, then it is no substitute for a proper safety check done as at at all occassions when the book says one should do it. That needs to be taught and enforced rigourously.
If it's to quickly confirm that you are, in fact, ready to fire, then it's better than pulling-the-slide-back-enough-to-see-the-round-but-not-enough-to-eject-one It's a feature one could live without.
Feb 12 17 4:53 PM
Well, here's another habits opinion. Don't carry the gun with a round in the chamber. Carry it with a full magazine and operate the slide on presentation.
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Feb 13 17 3:39 AM
A G Williams wrote:Reminds me of all those films and TV programmes I see in which a guy, holding a pistol, creeps cautiously around, obviously expecting to be attacked at any instant. Then, to raise the tension, he pulls back and releases the slide!Bit late, mate.
Feb 13 17 3:50 AM
ChrisPat wrote:Nit sure myself; if the pistol is a back up to the rifle then being able to do everything one handed might matter and so might split seconds. All very arguable I agree.
Feb 13 17 4:37 AM
sergeante wrote:ChrisPat wrote:Nit sure myself; if the pistol is a back up to the rifle then being able to do everything one handed might matter and so might split seconds. All very arguable I agree.
The pistol as a rifle backup is a false narrative. Pistols are issued to crew served weapons crews for close self defense, to officers and senior NCOs as badges of authority (or also for close-self-defense), and to special operators as optional weapons (as in weapons one might want to use under specific circumstances, but not as last ditch alternatives). In none of these roles is it likely that one wouldn't have two hands free for proper operation.
WRT "split seconds"...not so much. One can train -- and one should train, IMO -- to include operating the slide as a natural part of the progression from holster to engagement stance. That's adequate for the type of shooting that military handgun user have to do. Split seconds are a Hollywood meme reinforced by both the paranoid attitudes coming out of so-called self-defense "academies" and the requirements imposed on people that play games with guns (e.g. IPSC).
Feb 13 17 5:06 AM
2lapsdown wrote:wow! you really are a legend..Jesus.
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Feb 14 17 6:46 AM
ChrisPat wrote:Pistol is issued to UK Inf specifically as a back up, there's at least one shooting assessment that goes from 100m to 25m in four steps with rifle, sling the rifle, draw pistol and four more steps ending at 5m. Done at full pace it's fast and furious.
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