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ashley wrote:Lots of interesting facts being added to the pile - many of which I haven't researched / Thanks everyone.Couple of other thoughts;1) Eagle & Ark Royal, I believe were armored ( To at least WW2 Illustrious standards), so in theory they are more protected against battle damage than an Invincible.As "Light fleets" don't think Hermes & Bulwark were armored at all ( at least not to the same extent) ?2)I've read that Hermes & Invincible launched SHAR's in sea states "that would have prevented a conventional carrier, launching aircraft".3)Is this true ? I know one SHAR sadly slipped off the deck whilst one of the A/C's rolled, but could Eagle and Ark Royal have been prevented from catapulting off or recovering by taking "green" over the deck or what ever? If so how many days on station would CAPS be prevented by seas?4) Eagle's Type 984 CDS ( the dustbin) - she is the only carrier in the task group to carry. Is it a better radar than everyone elses 965 double mattress or 1022?5) If Eagle has AEW, does this prevent destroyers on Radar picket duty being sacrificed ( Sheffield) to give a few minutes extra warning?Seems the whole aircraft carrier history in the navy is thrown away by sea blind governments and short term-ism. We finally have 2 new in effect "fleet carriers" after convulsions of the "expeditionary"- ASW and back again to expeditionary focused work. All that expertise thrown away and then painfully reacquired. Although we have not got back to CTOL - I guess we never will.In another thread I mentioned it would have been far better to do things organically , step by step developmentally eg;Replace at least 2 fleet carriers late 1960's early 1970's CVA-01 and CVA-02They serve in rotation until the first CVA-01 is scrapped in 1993 ( in service for 1st gulf war) 2nd CVA-02 scrapped approx 1995/6in 1986, design work completed on next two carriers ( CVA-A and CVA-B) They enter service in 1993 and 1995They serve in rotation until the first CVA-A is scrapped in 2013 2nd CVA-B scrapped approx 2015/16In 2002 design work completed on next two carriers CVA-C and CVA-D . They enter service in 2013 and 2016 ( Substitute QE and POW for 2020 and 2023!)
Dec 5 16 8:50 PM
Also if the weather is too bad for our aircraft to fly, it'll be too bad for the enemy's aircraft to fly too.
Dec 5 16 9:28 PM
Bledlow wrote:Also if the weather is too bad for our aircraft to fly, it'll be too bad for the enemy's aircraft to fly too.Not if they're taking off from & landing on solid runways that only pitch or roll in earthquakes, & maybe even outside the storm that's keeping our aircraft on board ship. I expect that aircraft can take off from Patagonian airfields in worse sea states than from any aircraft carrier.
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Dec 6 16 1:17 AM
Just going by the length of time the RN gets out of its carriers since WW2 - roughly 20 - 25 years.
Dec 6 16 1:28 AM
GeorgeC2006 wrote:With an air group like Ark Royal's and the level of Argentine air defence capability it is probably time to have a good ROE discussion with Mrs T and the political implications of striking Argentine mainland airbases.
Dec 6 16 1:44 AM
johnc wrote:Eagle and Ark Royal did a lot less than 20 years, the RN would have been better off doing what it did after WW1 and scrap ships on the stock and focus on new builds with all the learning of the recent fighting.
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johnc wrote:ashley wrote:OK,
Just going by the length of time the RN gets out of its carriers since WW2 - roughly 20 - 25 years.Eagle and Ark Royal did a lot less than 20 years, the RN would have been better off doing what it did after WW1 and scrap ships on the stock and focus on new builds with all the learning of the recent fighting.
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IcelofAngeln wrote:and there were several days that the USN airgroup could not get off the deck and we did.
Could not, or would not? It's long been a USN commonplace that "those crazy Brits" set their peacetime operating safety parameters a lot farther out than the rather cautious Americans.
Dec 6 16 11:45 AM
IcelofAngeln wrote:How many RN carriers were allowed to serve out their actual lifespans? All of them except Hermes were euthanized before their time.
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