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Feb 28 16 3:13 PM
kev 99a wrote:It's daft, they had a hugely expensive upgrade recently and still lack the targetting systems necessary to prosecute a surface contact.
Don't really understand the Wildcat's lack of a dipping sonar either, other than penny pinching.
Feb 28 16 3:15 PM
johnc wrote:Its important to understand the lack of flexibility the RN had built into its helicopter fleet...the Merlin has no anti surface capability?
In the current environment how important is the ASW only role....for most RN ships the Wildcat is the more useful.
Feb 28 16 3:55 PM
Feb 28 16 4:29 PM
johnc wrote:I think this lack of versatility of designs and the RN consistence negligence of air ship defence over the last 75 years leading to countless unnecessary losses of ships and lives...is quite inexcusable.
Feb 28 16 6:58 PM
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Feb 29 16 4:45 AM
Aethulwulf wrote:Missing from this discussion so far is what roles we expect the Type 31 to undertake. I suspect that it will not be expected to be an escort within a carrier group except as a minor ASuW role. Certainly with Type 45 and Type 26 ships present in any carrier escort group, this should not be a design driver for the Type 31. So what else? Any constabulary role would not require much more than a 76mm main gun, helicopter and small boat facilities. What about naval fire support for land forces? This would require a 5" main gun and maybe some sea spear missiles (also some sea ceptor type capability for self defence). What of long range strike? This would require a full length VLS but by now the Type 31 is becoming as expensive as a Type 26. Special forces capabilities would drive the requirement for a large flight deck.
So, given that the Type 31 must be less expensive than the Type 26, which of the above roles is a must and which can we do without?
Feb 29 16 5:24 AM
Jeneral28 wrote:UK has the Wildcat and the Merlin. They won't buy US helicopters. Neither are "small".
Feb 29 16 5:49 AM
ThePointblank wrote:Jeneral28 wrote:UK has the Wildcat and the Merlin. They won't buy US helicopters. Neither are "small".The Wildcat is a significantly smaller and lighter helicopter than the SH-60 series helicopters. And the SH-60 (all models) are already considered to be fairly cramped on the inside for ASW work.
Feb 29 16 7:26 AM
Feb 29 16 8:21 AM
Jeneral28 wrote:But the US Seahawks dont have anything like the future Martlet and Sea Venom missiles...
Feb 29 16 9:51 AM
ThePointblank wrote:Jeneral28 wrote:But the US Seahawks dont have anything like the future Martlet and Sea Venom missiles...The USN doesn't need such missiles for their Seahawks; they are perfectly fine with AGM-114 Hellfires. They've even phased out the AGM-119 Penguin missiles. For the missions they send their Seahawks out on, a requirement for such a weapon doesn't exist. The Seahawk's are either hunting subs, or helping to take out light boats.
Feb 29 16 1:14 PM
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Feb 29 16 2:49 PM
Aethulwulf wrote:Sorry, I've not heard of the jumper rocket. It would need to be soft launch capable to use a CAMM silo. Most VLS silos can not easily be reloaded while at sea. To replace a 5" gun system you would need a LOT of rocket silos. Anyway the main question was whether or not this is a role for the Type 31, rather than what kit can be used for the role.
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