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Nov 23 14 5:46 PM
Nov 23 14 8:18 PM
BSmittyVA wrote:The Navy SCN Book page 8-5 and 8-11,FY2009 MULTI FUNCTION RADAR (MFR) $166,160COMMON ARRAY POWER SYSTEM (CAPS) $18,200COMMON ARRAY COOLING SYSTEM (CACS) $5,600Total $189,960I realize the numbers given don't necessarily line up with the cost of the unit bought that year, but it does seem like a reasonable ballpark estimate.
Nov 23 14 8:35 PM
Nov 23 14 11:08 PM
BSmittyVA wrote: Doing so will shrink the "quantum of deployment", allowing us to be more places at once, or aggregate quanta into more capable task forces. If you need more capacity, deploy a pair of CVs.
Reducing types increases built rates which reduces unit price.
Call it a ECSG (Expeditionary Carrier Strike Group), composed of one carrier, two Burkes and up to four FHDs.
Nov 24 14 1:46 AM
Nov 24 14 5:46 AM
BSmittyVA wrote:Your stretched Burkes are going to be more than $1.8 billion. AMDR-X will make them $1.9 billion without the stretch, maybe $2.2-2.5 with the stretch.
BSmittyVA wrote:Instead of 12 escorts for 2 CVs, you now have 6 escorts for 3. Pretty dicey, especially for ASW.
BSmittyVA wrote:Do you really want your carriers parked relatively close to shore, offloading cargo via LCAC?
BSmittyVA wrote:If an FHD costs $2 billion, it's not worth it. I was shooting for around half that. In other words, costed roughly at the same rate per thousand tons as an LPD.
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Nov 24 14 6:53 PM
BSmittyVA wrote:I'm willing to drop back to SPS-76 (Smart S) and separate illuminators to get the price down to where I want. I still feel a billion to $1.2 billion is doable over a large buy.
Nov 24 14 7:19 PM
Nov 24 14 8:29 PM
MattReloaded wrote:To paraphrase Francis Urquhart / Stuart Slade, I'd say that "the Ivar Huitfeldt-class frigates are exactly what the SCS should be".Once you somehow find a way to get such less-than-$400 million frigate inducted in the US Navy, then the whole FHD somehow becomes a futile exercise.
Nov 24 14 8:33 PM
MattReloaded wrote: 1) You'd need FC radars rather than mere illuminators with Smart-S Mk2, which lacks range to fully support SM-2/SM-6 engagements anyway (the 2009 Thales brochure said the Smart-S Mk2 "supports full performance of ESSM"). 2) If you go NIH, you might as well take a serious look at the APAR / SMART-L combo, which doesn't seem prohibitively expensive (see this document, page 4). It'd give you the SM-2/6 capability you seem to desire, and the SMART-L ELR might even get you into BMD.
Nov 24 14 9:39 PM
BSmittyVA wrote: 1) Agreed. Ceros 200s are, what, $6-7 mill a pop? Certainly more NIH.2) APAR wouldn't fly for political reasons (NIH & encroaching on domestic AESA vendors and DDG-51 capabilities) . I would like to see a SPY-3F, though, in the same niche (maybe AMDR-X?). 3) CEAFAR/CEAMOUNT may be more politically palatable as a new, "mid-tier" air defense suite.
Nov 24 14 11:04 PM
BSmittyVA wrote:DDGs don't have the space to carry significant MIW kit. So something else has to do it. In your architecture, that means the CV.
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Nov 25 14 5:08 PM
LordArpad wrote:BSmittyVA: how many troops and vehicles do you envision carrying?
Nov 25 14 5:53 PM
XV wrote:On a different note, a quick summary of where the money generally goes: https://www.navalengineers.org/ProceedingsDocs/ASNEDay2014/Day1/Sumrean_PMTrack.pdf
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