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Civ101 wrote:Depends on what you means by subsidies. In terms of purchase price not that I am aware. But the USA gives Israel about $3Bn a year in Foreign Military Financing with the proviso that most of it is spent in the USA.
Depends on what you means by subsidies. In terms of purchase price not that I am aware. But the USA gives Israel about $3Bn a year in Foreign Military Financing with the proviso that most of it is spent in the USA.
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Currently, the Marines' almost myopic focus on just trying to get the F-35B of the chopping block seems to have limited their imagination as to how the aircraft could, and should, be employed. It seems that the USMC envision the F-35Bs as being used much like the Harrier force it replaces was, at least to the public at this point, which is a total waste of the aircraft's advanced capability. Sure, over time combat doctrine, weapons and support infrastructure can be developed and improved upon, but spending dozens of billions of dollars just to get similar, albeit more survivable capabilities out of a $150M+ asset that an already paid for $30M asset (AV-8B Harrier II) provided before hand is ridiculous. Each flight hour is precious on these incredibly expensive machines, why limit those hours' return on investment because of lack of creativity and fiscal prioritization?...
...If the Marines do have similar plans for the F-35B as those listed in this article then they should do a much better job of publicizing them, and explaining just how much impact the F-35B can have on America's "total expeditionary force." Justifying the aircraft in a similar light as the rest of the F-35 stable does the B model a great disservice and does not underline how these $150M jets are investment for our nation that is greater than the sum of their parts. One would be hard pressed to argue the same in regards to the much more numerous, but questionably relevant, F-35A and C models. [QUE? This is not argued at all.]
The F-35B is not just a way better Harrier or Hornet, it is a gateway to get so much more out of so many other very expensive but loosely related assets. Although this complex "cause and effect" equation that surrounds the F-35B is not an easy one to convey, it is essential that it is, otherwise the cost-benefit analysis on a F-35B vs AV-8B level does not really add up positively. But when you factor in the larger strategic picture, especially when combined with the seven suggestions above, there is no question that the F-35B is a game changing bargain for the US taxpayer...."
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Condottiere wrote:It's stating the obvious that the Harrier successor and the Strike fighter should have been two separate projects.
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istobie wrote:Unless UK SFor go for V22 as the solution to the Herc going (A400M is too big apparently for their tastes) then yeah, totally, introducing another type into service, bad idea.
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shaun wrote:Yes I agree - as I said in my post on the previous page, I think the next opportunity for this to happen is when we retire Puma next decade. The 24 HC2s could be replaced by 12 CV-22 and 12 Chinook (perhaps the latest USSOCOM variant at that time, presently the MH-47G).
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This is a very long article and is from a US Marine Corps perspective, but very,very interesting ( well IMHO )http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/7-things-the-marines-have-to-do-to-make-the-f-35b-worth-1560672069
Correction, article from a defense journalist's perspective. Sorry but the USMC is trying to get away from being a 2nd US Army force back to being the amphibious force it has traditionally been yet so many people want to turn it into a 2nd USN with its own light carrier strike groups.
NO the F-35 was NOT built as a STOVL aircraft first! The core of the F-35 is the USAF F-35A - the F-35B basically being a F-35A with the central fuselage fuel tank replaced by a lift fan & fitted with a thrust vectoring nozzle (for V/STOVL operations) & the F-35C basically being a F-35A with a larger wing and strengthened landing gear & structure (for carrier operations).
Most everything else in the article is a red hearing based on these false assumptions.
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