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Oct 21 12 2:35 PM
Oct 21 12 5:18 PM
istobie wrote:Interesting comment from Salmond today when being pressed on the Trident issue, he stated (quite definitely) that the timescale would be "as soon as is safe for everyone involved". He also dismissed the idea of a cantonment style solution, leaving Trident on Scottish soil - not feasible or acceptable. So, there's room for a spot of fudging in terms of the date for Trident to move, and that'd give us time to come up with something else.
Oct 21 12 5:33 PM
borys68 wrote:the loss of 10% of the population and slightly smaller portion of the economyBorys
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Oct 24 12 3:54 PM
HMS Pinafore wrote:Trolls found this in the Guardian today:
The SNP has admitted that they have only just now started to seek proper legal advice over whether an independent Scotland would have automatic membership of the EU, while still keeping the Pound(£) and all of the UK’s opt-outs on immigration and border controls. Previously First Minister Salmond has insisted that it would, without having actually asked the lawyers.
His deputy, Mrs Sturgeon (that’s her real name) has confirmed that they have now sought a proper legal opinion from the lawyers.
The EU President has previously suggested that Scotland would have to apply on the basis of becoming a new member. In this event it will probably have to adopt the Euro and lose all of the UK opt-outs.
This probably makes independence less likely.
Salmond and Sturgeon – does this team sound a bit fishy?
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Oct 24 12 6:50 PM
Bledlow wrote:Natural resources aren't listed on budget balance sheets, & nor are national tax revenues listed on EU budget balance sheets. The EU budget only includes the money spent by the EU, which is piffling compared to the sum of national spending.
North Sea oil (which, BTW, has been in decline for a long time) is a national asset, which the EU has no control over the disposition of.
Oct 24 12 11:15 PM
That's where the SNP argument falls down, you simply can't have Scotland printing Sterling if it is a foreign country. They could continue to use the pound, they could use the dollar if they wanted but they would have absolutely zero control over their own currency. In the absolute best case scenario for scotland the rUK might agree to have 1 member on the board of the bank of England but in exchange for massive concessions elsewhere. Even with that scenario, who do you think the Bank of England is going to act in the interests of if ruK and Scotland are trying to achieve different financial aims?I'm totally ok with Scotland being independent, and respect anyone who holds that view and chooses that option but for the rest of the UK an independent Scotland must then be a foreign country in all respects. Friendly yes, co-operative yes, but what sort of SNP vision of independence is having Westminster control your monetary policy? Sharing your embassies? Sharing your public services (DVLA etc) What I wasn't ok with was Jocks vision of a Yes/no/devomax choice and am glad they've chosen the single question regardless of how this makes anyone vote. Scotland has no right within the UK to unilaterally give itself goodies to the detriment of the rest of the UK. I believe a heavily devolved/federal UK may well follow but what's agreed upon has to be agreeable to everyone and therefore this choice has to happen after the yes/no vote.
Oct 24 12 11:17 PM
They (can't remember who) said on BBC Radio 4 last night that the split looked like 2:1 for separation.
Oct 24 12 11:37 PM
HMS Pinafore wrote:
Scotland could therefore in theory be required to do all that if it becomes independent.
Oct 24 12 11:46 PM
istobie wrote:Mind, I can see some complications if they wanted to retain the pound (we'd almost certainly have to withdraw their right to print money for instance - otherwise well..they could just print money ?
Oct 25 12 12:17 AM
Anixtu wrote:istobie wrote:Mind, I can see some complications if they wanted to retain the pound (we'd almost certainly have to withdraw their right to print money for instance - otherwise well..they could just print money ?What necessitates a change from the current situation where every pound issued by a Scottish (or Northern Irish) bank is required to be backed by an equal quantity of Bank of England/Royal Mint currency held by the issuing bank?
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