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ravage	Globalhawk gets Cooked	Lead	[-]
Posts: 531 Jan 26 12 4:39 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	U.S. Air Force to Kill Global Hawk UAV
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seasick		#1	[-]
Posts: 9665 Jan 26 12 6:21 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There have been problems with it. The USN version probably has better reliability and the USAF has probably decided to write off the current version and wait for technology to advance a bit.
HMS Pinafore	Only the USAF pulling out?	#2	[-]
Posts: 3552 Jan 26 12 10:53 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	That will still leave the USN (as mentioned) & Europe operating the type. If they can do so, what are they doing that the USAF is not doing? Also suggests reasons other than operational for the decision (cost?). I must admit that I like the whole concept of the Global Hawk, and would like to think that the RAF will now be able to get their sticky mittens on a few of the surplus UAVs. It would be the obvious Canberra replacement (and uses the same Avon engine). For the same reason my Barataria would use the same type.
barr2s	Avon?	#3	[-]
Posts: 377 Jan 26 12 2:13 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	HMS Pinafore, The Globalhawk does NOT use the Avon engine! It is powered by a Rolls-Royce AE3007, which is a design derived from the core of the AE2100 which powers the C-130J and is also the core for the T406 on the Osprey. This engine was designed and developed by Allison before Rolls-Royce bought the company. It has nothing to do with the Rolls-Royce Avon that is a 1950 design and ceased production in 1974!
HMS Pinafore	Correction noted	#4	[-]
Posts: 3552 Jan 26 12 6:20 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Troll responsible for that piece of duff data has been shot!
jua		#5	[-]
Posts: 513 Jan 26 12 8:06 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	HMS Pinafore wrote: That will still leave the USN (as mentioned) & Europe operating the type. If they can do so, what are they doing that the USAF is not doing? What they are doing is 'not having any other suitable replacement'; Europe and USN don't have the U-2 as a 'already paid for' option. Were it that the U-2s were grounded or otherwise unflyable, USAF would keep the Hawk. As it is I think they have like 30 airframes to fulfill the need, so in these times of cuts, why spend your money here?
bager1968		#6	[-]
Posts: 7591 Jan 26 12 9:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	jua wrote: HMS Pinafore wrote: That will still leave the USN (as mentioned) & Europe operating the type. If they can do so, what are they doing that the USAF is not doing? What they are doing is 'not having any other suitable replacement'; Europe and USN don't have the U-2 as a 'already paid for' option. Were it that the U-2s were grounded or otherwise unflyable, USAF would keep the Hawk. As it is I think they have like 30 airframes to fulfill the need, so in these times of cuts, why spend your money here? He (and the article) are referring to the USN's MQ-4C, which is a Maritime-surveillance version of the Global Hawk, scheduled for IOC in 2015 (formerly reffered to as BAMS [Broad-Area Maritime Surveillance]). http://www.navair.navy.mi...airNewsStory&id=4888 the Air Force decision was based on the cost of the Global Hawk unmanned planes, and that the service would investigate using a Marine version with different sensors that Northrop is developing for the Navy. India has also expressed interest in the MQ-4C, and has apparently decided to buy. http://www.eurasiareview....s-for-pakistan-analysis/ The Luftwaffe has ordered Global Hawks, with the first German "EuroHawk" being delivered on 21 July 2011 to Manching, Germany, where the Sigint package was to be fitted, with hand-over to the LW scheduled for "summer 2012", and the LW is asking for a total of 5. http://worldcrunch.com/me...rolling-super-drone/3937 NATO has also expressed a desire for 5. http://www.uasvision.com/...urveillance-by-may-2012/ Who'd have thought 30 years ago Hermes would still be in active service when Invincible was at the breakers yard? Last Edited By: bager1968 Jan 26 12 9:42 PM. Edited 1 times.
Nightwatch2		#7	[-]
Posts: 13072 Jan 26 12 11:20 PM Air Boss Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The article is a bit overstated and hyperventilating. The USAF is terminating further production of Block 30's. The USAF is NOT "scrapping" the GH fleet. Terminating the Block 30's sounds entirely reasonable since current production is of Block 40's. Maybe the problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
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seasick		#8	[-]
Posts: 9665 Jan 27 12 4:39 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The USAF is writing off the older ones while the USN's version, which would be better anyway, enters production.
ravage		#9	[-]
Posts: 531 Jan 27 12 6:25 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The block 10 is a significantly and visibly different plane than the rest. Block 20, 30, and 40's are distinguished by payload and some have been retrofitted to other payloads than originally intended.
seasick		#10	[-]
Posts: 9665 Jan 27 12 7:50 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What happens to the decomissioned early models, will they just fly themselves to Davis-Monthan?
Nightwatch2		#11	[-]
Posts: 13072 Jan 27 12 5:54 PM Air Boss Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	They did not say they are decommisoning any of them. They are stopping procurement of one block. Maybe the problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
jua		#12	[-]
Posts: 513 Jan 27 12 10:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	ravage wrote: The block 10 is a significantly and visibly different plane than the rest. Block 20, 30, and 40's are distinguished by payload and some have been retrofitted to other payloads than originally intended. Do you have a link concerning what the payload differences are? I've always been curious what they carry, if its unclassified.
ravage		#13	[-]
Posts: 531 Jan 28 12 4:58 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Block 40's got the MPRTIP radar system, Block 30's got the ASIP sigint and EISS SAR system, Block 20 I think had a few payloads, BACN for one.
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