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crazy yank	China's first aircraft carrier at sea	Lead	[-]
Posts: 319 Dec 15 11 4:35 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The source article. link Last Edited By: crazy yank Dec 15 11 2:15 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 660 Dec 15 11 4:55 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hi, I saw that on the internet earlier. Nice pic. Thanks for the link. Pat
Nightwatch2		#2	[-]
Posts: 13072 Dec 15 11 7:10 PM Air Boss Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Nice target! Maybe the problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
Admiral Beez		#3	[-]
Posts: 8088 Dec 16 11 3:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	She's fueled by stupid westerners buying Chinese goods.
OSCSSW	Concur Beez but you don't go far enough	#4	[-]
Posts: 4224 Dec 16 11 3:52 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Admiral Beez wrote: She's fueled by stupid westerners buying Chinese goods. In the same vien Beez: 1. Those goods are produced, in part, by slave labor and mostly by near slave labor, in inhuman conditions 2. In factories that are owned (in part) by senior members of the PRC Communist party 3. Under the guise of "Free trade" which is an outright lie, spread by bribed politicians and unscrupulous western corporations. 4. Whose technology is mostly stolen from the West 5. Employing decidedly deceitful and criminal monetary practices. 6. Practicing strict trade protection practices to foreign imports. IMNSHO, we should be going after the politicians and western corporations, who are benefiting from selling out the western worker and their own nations with GREAT PREJUDICE!
Admiral Beez		#5	[-]
Posts: 8088 Dec 16 11 8:53 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Those politicians and corporations are only filling a demand - that of Western consumers who want cheap goods no matter the provenance. One thing the China-price has achieved is to control inflation in the West, and to hide the fact that the real buying power of middle class Westerners has steadily declined over the last generation. This last point has also been helped by the rise of easy credit. So, to China's credit they have provided a pressure release valve to the West - if you had to pay the domestic cost of everything while seeing your own salaries continue to decline, you might have civil discord pretty soon. Last Edited By: Admiral Beez Dec 16 11 8:57 PM. Edited 1 times.
seasick		#6	[-]
Posts: 9668 Dec 24 11 7:29 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"Those politicians and corporations are only filling a demand" thats what the outsourcer say. The truth you could say the same thing about the drug cartels. cocaine was a mom and pop operation in south america until Americans started using lots of it in the 1970s and the cartels cropped up as the money flowed south. What's the ship's name? DKM Wall Street? Last Edited By: seasick Jan 6 12 2:12 AM. Edited 1 times.
Global bullyman		#7	[-]
Posts: 270 Dec 29 11 1:31 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	seasick wrote: "Those politicians and corporations are only filling a demand" thats what the outsourcer say. The truth you could say the same thing about the drug cartels. cocaine was a mom and pop operation in south america until Americans started using lots of it in the 1970s and the cartels cropped up as the money flowed south. Lenin said, "They will sell us the rope we use to hang them with." Bullyman says, "They will also buy the drugs we use to poison them with!"
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sandyj	asking?? of above replys	#8	[-]
Posts: 526 Dec 29 11 8:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	what does all of the above have to do with the Chinese aircraft carrier, as well as its use and/or training activities?
Admiral Beez		#9	[-]
Posts: 8088 Jan 6 12 3:48 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	sandyj wrote: what does all of the above have to do with the Chinese aircraft carrier, as well as its use and/or training activities? Who made you the topic police? In my opinion the means by which China could afford this aircraft carrier and its overall military expenditures is worthy of discussion.
Fred the Great		#10	[-]
Posts: 3603 Jan 6 12 4:53 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Come on Admiral Beez, you know there's a politics forum for that discussion and you know when you say something like you did it's going to provoke a response. You weren't just asking about China's capability to afford aircraft carriers, you were making a political point. Do that in the politics forum.
Kane		#11	[-]
Posts: 23 Jan 14 12 9:26 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Its naval usefullness to China is fairly dubious as it and its fighters are a long way from being fully operational, and both it and the current escorts that the Chinese navy has would be easy meat for any US Navy CBG. But as a flagshower its a major statement to the rest of Asia and the US that China means business in the future. I'll start getting concerned if China starts building larger nuclear powered carriers over the next decade.
Glenn239		#12	[-]
Posts: 1486 Jan 26 12 8:52 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Chinese carrier? Is it 2020 already then?
bager1968		#13	[-]
Posts: 7595 Jan 26 12 9:39 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Glenn239 wrote: The Chinese carrier? Is it 2020 already then? He is referring to the ex-Varyag, the Soviet-designed sister of the Russian Kuznetsov... which was structurally complete, but not finished, and which was sold to a Chinese "casino company for non-military use only" back in 1998. However, it has been completed by the PLAN (they are claiming for "scientific research, experiment and training"), and is now undergoing sea trials. For a "scientific" vessel it sure has a lot of weapons-guidance radars and actual weaponry installed. Who'd have thought 30 years ago Hermes would still be in active service when Invincible was at the breakers yard?
David Chessum		#14	[-]
Posts: 574 Jan 26 12 10:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	If you buy the September 2011 issue of "Shipborne Weapons" it is a special feature on the Chinese carrier, and all 93 pages are dedicated to pictures or articles on the ship. Only downside is that it is in Mandarin. Regards David
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