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BOBC 59	WHY BB59 not at signing unconditional surrender	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2054 Sep 3 09 10:54 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	NUFF SAID BOBC ...For those that fought for it,Freedom has a taste and meaning,The protected will never know!
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New Hampshire Battleship Lover	A wild guess	#1	[-]
Posts: 3076 Sep 13 09 5:34 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	She certainly should have been there, since sh was one of our more active battleships. I don't know where she was..I bet you do. One thing for sure--if I were arranging the ceremony, I would make sure that substantial fleet elements weren't in the harbor, including some first line battleships, were NOT in the harbor. Command detonated mines, or hidden torpedo tubes, combined with a mass Kamikaze strike could not be ruled out. As for which ships would be there and not there, I don't know how that was decided.
boblaurabyu		#2	[-]
Posts: 985 Sep 13 09 6:20 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	that's why the carriers stayed away, in case the Japanese changed their minds.
BOBC 59		#3	[-]
Posts: 2054 Sep 13 09 6:31 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	well i did post our orders of 9/2/45 to procede to bremerton for a yard period delayed fron 8/2/45 becuz of assignments to bombard the jap homeland but on 9/2/45 orders did come to u s with a escort to form a tf with Capt REDMAN as sopa with a stop to yusuka to pick up a detachment of 70 % marines and 30% blue jackets of massachusetts ships company that was put ashore to help with ploice action and we had stops at guam and pearl to recieve passengers for state side duty { Magic Carpet mean any thing} while enroute Capt REDMAN did cease all gun watches as hosilites were done also he ordered at nite to run with running lites alummination what a thrill that was I'll try to post it again but y it was deleted after 2 days I know not why maybe a yank thing I wrote and asked y but got no reply Nuff Said BOBC ...For those that fought for it,Freedom has a taste and meaning,The protected will never know! Last Edited By: BOBC 59 Sep 13 09 6:36 AM. Edited 1 times.
BOBC 59		#4	[-]
Posts: 2054 Sep 13 09 8:51 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	les try again nuff said bob ...For those that fought for it,Freedom has a taste and meaning,The protected will never know!
emc		#5	[-]
Posts: 6743 Sep 14 09 11:36 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BOBC 59 wrote:{ Magic Carpet mean any thing} Nuff Said BOBC Yep. As to why Missouri and not Massachusetts? Random acts of history?
binder001.forumonwar		#6	[-]
Posts: 340 Sep 14 09 3:38 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	emc wrote: As to why Missouri and not Massachusetts? Random acts of history? Just random acts of politics. HST was a proud Missourian and his daughter christened BB63. I'll bet there was little discussion in the Navy Dept about which ship would represent the USA for the surrender.
1Big Rich		#7	[-]
Posts: 2215 Sep 14 09 3:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	emc wrote: Yep. As to why Missouri and not Massachusetts? Random acts of history? You'll often read Missouri was chosen because she was the last battleship to commission (true; Wisconsin commissioned 16 April 44, Missouri was 11 June), therefore Missouri was in the best material condition. As I recall she was also still flying Halsey's flag as Flagship of the Third Fleet at the time. The fact she was also named for the home state of the then-current US President I'm sure had NOTHING to do with it... Bob, Consider it a measure of Mamie's value. With the war over there should have been no hurry to get her an overhaul, right? But on 1 September 1945 she was ordered to Puget Sound for just that reason. As boblaurabyu points out, a number of ships were held away in case the Japanese changed their minds. After seeing the civilians on Okinawa and Saipan refuse to surrender, let alone the way the Japanese army and navy personnel did not throughout the war, I'm sure there was plenty of suspicion as to whether the Japanese might acutally go through with it. Wisconsin and Indiana were among the battleships kept away, finally docking in Japan on 5 September. You can see the list of ships present for the Japanese surrender here: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq69-2.htm Your Text Signature ...
emc		#8	[-]
Posts: 6743 Sep 15 09 12:14 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	1Big Rich wrote: emc wrote: Yep. As to why Missouri and not Massachusetts? Random acts of history? You'll often read Missouri was chosen because she was the last battleship to commission (true; Wisconsin commissioned 16 April 44, Missouri was 11 June), therefore Missouri was in the best material condition. As I recall she was also still flying Halsey's flag as Flagship of the Third Fleet at the time. The fact she was also named for the home state of the then-current US President I'm sure had NOTHING to do with it... HST? Duh; excuse me while I give myself a dope slap
1Big Rich		#9	[-]
Posts: 2215 Sep 15 09 1:48 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	binder001 wrote: Just random acts of politics. HST was a proud Missourian and his daughter christened BB63. I'll bet there was little discussion in the Navy Dept about which ship would represent the USA for the surrender. binder001, I think we were typing at the same time. Our posts are 10 minutes apart, but I was called away from the keyboard for a short while in the middle of posting... emc wrote: HST? Duh; excuse me while I give myself a dope slap emc, I don't think my sarcasm font was working for The fact she was also named for the home state of the then-current US President I'm sure had NOTHING to do with it... Maybe I should change it to <sarcasm>The fact she was also named for the home state of the then-current US President I'm sure had NOTHING to do with it...</sarcasm> AIGF, Your Text Signature ...
emc		#10	[-]
Posts: 6743 Sep 15 09 4:36 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Shockingly, my sarcasm detector may have been malfunctioning. Of course politics had absolutely nothing to do with Missouri's presence. That HST was President and from a state with the same name as the battleship is, of course, pure coincidence as absolutely no one in the executive, civil, or uniformed services would ever even dream of trying to suck up to the President, even if HST would never, ever dream of a ship sponsored by his daughter getting any kind of special treatment.
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FreshAirSnipe		#11	[-]
Posts: 1895 Sep 16 09 3:38 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I imagine the months just after the war ended must have been interesting. "Yay! The war is over, now what do we do with all these ships while getting the sailors home ASAP?" I've heard anecdotes from veterans of ships pulling into a base or shipyard, shutting down, buttoning up and the crew just leaving her there with a few base MPs to guard the pier. Not sure how true that was but it doesn't sound too far off for small units at least?
seasick		#12	[-]
Posts: 9664 Sep 16 09 4:20 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think Japan should have signed the surrender on a battleship that was sunk at Pearl Harbor.
FreshAirSnipe		#13	[-]
Posts: 1895 Sep 17 09 12:48 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	seasick wrote: I think Japan should have signed the surrender on a battleship that was sunk at Pearl Harbor. That would have been great!
Captain Cee J		#14	[-]
Posts: 1773 Sep 17 09 2:50 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wee Vee was certainly available for that.
Pacfanweb		#15	[-]
Posts: 194 Sep 17 09 6:05 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Being from North Carolina, I wish BB55 was there...besides being named for my home state, she was the most decorated BB in WWII. I've always thought that Mo was used because she was the newest, and therefore in the best shape.
Mike G	Surrender site decision	#16	[-]
Posts: 298 Sep 17 09 5:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	From what I've read, there were a lot of dissatisfied staff and sailors of the choice of the Missouri for the surrender site. "Pure Politics" and "A Johnny Come Lately" was their description of the decision. The West Virginia would have been most of their choices with her Pearl Harbor experiences, but the North Carolina, Washington, South Dakota, Indiana, Massachusetts or Alabama deserved consideration as they 'toed the line' in 1942-1943 when the the WW2 victory was still in doubt.
seasick		#17	[-]
Posts: 9664 Sep 17 09 5:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	USS Missouri was picked by Harry Truman for obvious reasons. My Choices: 1. USS West Virginia 2. USS Washington -- Took out Kirishima 3. USS North Carolina -- Many battles IJN reported her sunk many times. 4. USS South Dakota
Captain Cee J		#18	[-]
Posts: 1773 Sep 18 09 1:30 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	How about USS Arkansas. The oldest most obsolete ship would have made the biggest statement of our power. LOL
emc		#19	[-]
Posts: 6743 Sep 18 09 2:11 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	seasick wrote: USS Missouri was picked by Harry Truman for obvious reasons. My Choices: 1. USS West Virginia 2. USS Washington -- Took out Kirishima 3. USS North Carolina -- Many battles IJN reported her sunk many times. 4. USS South Dakota I'm not going to argue with your choices (although I do think there are obvious reasons to add Massachusetts); I'm not even going to say that politics didn't play a role in Missouri's choice. I'd just like to observe that Harry Truman wasn't the only politician in Washington, and sucking up to the boss is a very old tactic.
MAddCAff04		#20	[-]
Posts: 649 Sep 18 09 3:52 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I would've picked the USS Pennsylvania since she was the sister ship to the Arizona. I know she was getting patched up from the torp she took which nearly sank her, but maybe she would've been in shape just to accept the surrender. If not her, then maybe the Nevada, raised from the ashes and sent the Germans and Japs to hell! Just my two cents. Does anybody have a list on were all of our BB's were during the time of surrender? "Freedom has never been free, there will ALWAYS be a price for Liberty!"
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