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Thiazian DDH (topic)
Current model for the Thiazian Navy into the 60'sand 70's includes the addition of a number of DDH, based on the 6,000ton DDG. But striped down for the job of operating some 6 helicopters or more for ASW.In essence Thiazia could never...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

29-May-2016 09:27:30
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
Thiazia is the Kerguelen Plateau raised up about 1000m, producing a main island and a series of smaller islands.Northwest tip is about 45 degrees south. But it's effect on currents and weather ensures the north and west are relatively...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

28-May-2016 10:12:42
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
Well I'm sort of working on the basis of there being a series of late 30's large destroyers, but wobbling between Fantasque to Mogador is size. Possibly some built during WWII.Such a group could have a longer life than being scrapped in...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

27-May-2016 10:45:12
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
Hmmm....time to ponder capacity. Assuming a 25 year life per ship. Assuming pre war policy is 2.2 DD per year = 55 sustainable. Assuming 0.5 Cruisers per year = 12.5 sustainable. Assuming Capital ship force is 9 and sustainable force is...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

26-May-2016 16:52:16
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
Right so, pre-WWII, Thiazia has about 54 Destroyers, and some 15 Cruisers. This centres around a force of 4 BB/BC and 5 CV (one being an smaller training CV).Also some 38 Patrol Craft.
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

26-May-2016 12:17:05
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
Lets develop that for a mo'DE/FF Type Original concept from 1950sHalf DD plant, possibly single shaft, for 30,000shp.Displacement deep below 2,500tonsArmament options:-1)Two single 120mm L50 TMV (Thiazian state armaments factory) built...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

26-May-2016 08:37:52
Re: Thiaiza's Last all gun Destroyer studies.... (reply)
In essence the Thiazian is beamier, higher powered, lacking the 57mm guns. with a single funnel instead of two, longer range/endurance and built for rougher waters.Reading I see the Vickers 4" L62 weighed in at 21tonsBofors M50 twin...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

26-May-2016 08:20:03
Re: Thiazian weapons guns post WWII (reply)
So single 120mm weapon uses same water cooled barrel and ammunition as Bofors 120mm twin. But mechanism differs. I think we can expect with the right mechanism upto 50rpm.
Naval Weapons

Zen9

23-May-2016 19:15:44
Re: Thiaiza's Last all gun Destroyer studies.... (reply)
It would be in the right ear I think. UK & USA were working on various 5" DP guns in this time, as they did on 3". So with the French working on the 100mm and Vickers doing a private venture 4", Thiazia could do its effort on the...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

23-May-2016 18:48:47
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
Yeap a strong case there I think.
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

23-May-2016 18:42:41
Re: Thiaiza's Last all gun Destroyer studies.... (reply)
Good point that, the lure of the missile changes things by the late 50's.Alternatives inspired by Thornycroft offerings to South America.....circa early 1953Medium DDLWL 375ftB 43ftDepth 22ft to main deckDisplacement 2,700tons standard,...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

21-May-2016 16:32:41
Re: Thiaiza's Last all gun Destroyer studies.... (reply)
Hmmm.....considering the Halland class exported had three twin 120mm guns, once one factors in the greater fuel/range requirements of Thiazia, I would not be surprised if that ends up around 3,500tons.The 120mm Twin was rather heavy, so...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

20-May-2016 22:15:41
Re: First Thiazian DDG (reply)
It's quite plausible the Thiazian Navy will convert a cruiser to missile ship and testbed for the systems. 
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

20-May-2016 12:13:22
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
LordArpad wrote:How about 2 * 76mm twin Ikara Bofors ASW mortar SeaCatCanadian Frigates/Destroyer Escorts did possess something like this armament.A major difference would be we're using two twin 76mm L70 guns, with a Thiazian...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

20-May-2016 11:41:36
Re: Thiaiza's Last all gun Destroyer studies.... (reply)
This is the crux of the matter, since my intent at the start was the increase compatibility between Army and Navy, by having both use 120mm guns of different varieties.The argument for the 100mm is it removes the need for seperate 120mm...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

20-May-2016 11:34:18
Re: Boeing unveils HAAWC (ASW missile) (reply)
It all sounds familiar though.,...
Naval Weapons

Zen9

19-May-2016 11:46:33
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
In light of the Destroyer thread, two 100mm guns have to be considered.
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

19-May-2016 11:27:50
Re: Thiaiza's Last all gun Destroyer studies.... (reply)
This could be a critical shift in the Thiazian Navy's main guns, dropping the long association with the 120mm (4.7") type in favour of the 100mm. It would impact other ship designs such as Frigates and Corvettes.
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

19-May-2016 11:26:43
Re: Thiaiza's Last all gun Destroyer studies.... (reply)
A temptation, SHI (southern hemisphere industries) has connections with Vickers and this would be prior to SHI being brought down by corruption scandals during the 1960s (dealings in South America and South Africa come back to haunt...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

19-May-2016 11:23:49
Re: New Thiaizian Frigates post WWII (reply)
Two single 3" would release some weight margins and although heavier than a single twin mounting, they would provide more complete cover and in coordination between them provide better intersecting fire.Lets bear down on this and make it...
Designing A Navy/Ship

Zen9

19-May-2016 11:04:24