Why didn't WWI Germany build one or more additional trans-Atlantic radio stations after the cable connections were cut? They would carry message traffic that formerly went by cable.
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Dave Bender |
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Posts: 6817 (24-Jul-2008 13:19:26) |
Why didn't WWI Germany build one or more additional trans-Atlantic radio stations after the cable connections were cut? They would carry message traffic that formerly went by cable. |
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2 LT CAPTs |
I have said this before... | ||
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Posts: 746 (24-Jul-2008 14:52:50) |
But this might be your best cliffhanger yet...
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SMS12 |
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Posts: 738 (24-Jul-2008 17:18:58) |
jim, check your inbox.
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jab383 |
German Trans-Atlantic wireless | ||
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Posts: 279 (24-Jul-2008 18:51:55) |
According to Howeth http://earlyradiohistory.us/1963hw.htm
Also from Howeth, the Sayville-Nauen link operated at 25KHz--
From elsewhere in Howeth, the Sayville station's two antenna towers
Howeth again: The American Marconi Company was under the control
My conclusion is that the Germans did what they could to
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Posts: 1256 (24-Jul-2008 20:00:47) |
According to Jim the USN hasn't taken over the station yet.
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JNiemczyk |
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Posts: 6629 (24-Jul-2008 22:43:45) |
It looks like Fox could be getting himself into a difficult situation.
Nice work, Jim.
In October 1949 Commander Eugene Tatom still felt confident enough to assert that it would be possible to stand on the runway at Washington National Airport 'with no more than the clothes you have on now, and have an atom bomb explode at the other end of the runway without serious injury to you'.
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Posts: 9213 (25-Jul-2008 04:09:48) Generally Obscure |
Just got in from seeing Batman. Whoa! What a DARK flick!
I will have to play catch up with posters Friday. On the Sayville Station, the US took control (not seized) because of several reasons, but a major one was stated to be fear that coded info was being sent to waiting u-boats on sailings during USW. Even OTL, the incoming info was not affected. In fact, the so-called smoking gun was the signal "Get Lucy" which was interpreted to mean Lusitania that was subsequently sunk by a u-boat (which did not happen in LT). In LT, w/o USW and no reports of u-boats off-shore, suggested to me that any seizure would at least happen later than historical. Any delay over 2 days from OTL would put Sayville still in German operation, as the navy did not act until July 8, 1915 or so. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9800EFD6123FE233A2575AC0A9619C946496D6CF If the above link does not work, google "sayville" and "1915". The point here is that even if the USN takes ops control of outgoing, it would not stop receipt of Fox incoming. Also, any outgoing written by NY Time folk and not Germans would not be affected. Any attempt to interfere would certainly get wide publication in the NY Times and Philadelphia Inquirer and even Sacramento Times-Union! |
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Posts: 550 (25-Jul-2008 13:05:12) |
jim 1 wrote: Which would spell political death for Wilson in next years presidental race.
Wilson will not act against the papers he is not going to commit political suicide and nothing the British do or say will get wilson to cut his own throat. On to another point what is the chance that that Italian fast liner will have several other reporters possibly from rival papers and Blue own one to try to get in on the game. I know if I was Blues editor I'd have a replacement ready to go just so Blue can come home to Holly and have his brain picked apart for every bit of info he has. Who knows the publishers might even encourage Blue to write a book and try to make money on printing a best seller as well.
We satisfy our endless needs
And justify our bloody deeds
In the name of destiny
And in the name of God
David
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Posts: 2682 (25-Jul-2008 13:13:51) |
Ahoj!
I believe a best seller is being rushed to print already - the "Taken away by Hun Pirates when Fishing for Cod - by Dave Bender of New Englande, and by the Battleship Lover of Hapshire, by their own handes, recounting their Adventures when ... " Borys |
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Dave Bender |
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Posts: 6826 (25-Jul-2008 13:46:14) |
The Blue / Fox news stories should be great publicity for my book. I am covering the same story from a different perspective.
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Posts: 2683 (25-Jul-2008 14:22:29) |
Ahoj!
And if you collaborate with Blue, you'll have your book illustrated with relevant photographs. Example - photograph of shot up Police station entrace and relevant passage in the Book: - "When I heard the shots me and NHBL were all, like, WTF is going on? It was only later that we learnt that is was the German Navy storming the French Police Station." Borys |
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Dave Bender |
Collaborate with Blue | ||
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Posts: 6828 (25-Jul-2008 17:00:29) |
An interesting thought. He could be a co-author for a cut of the profits. Maybe he would make more money that way then by handing his material to the N.Y
Times....
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Posts: 9214 (26-Jul-2008 00:42:45) Generally Obscure |
Sea turtle prince -
++++ the only sounds the flags enjoying their outing ++++ Sp glad that phrase worked! I feared it might be over the top, but it popped straight out my keyboard as the music pounded out of my subwoofer and so I let it stay. ;-) |
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Posts: 9215 (26-Jul-2008 00:49:52) Generally Obscure |
Siegmund -
As I just replied to the Prince of Shell (;-0), I had some fears on that phrase, so feedback that it worked is great! I think that Fox will self-censor or self-limit his transmissions. It is a huge physical drain on him and he knows when he has first class stuff and when he does not. Also, I suspect that he will soon get itchy to get back. On length, this was one of the longest chapters ever, at 11+ full typed pages of text and over one full page of NOTEs. |
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Posts: 9216 (26-Jul-2008 00:55:04) Generally Obscure |
PsD -
I seriously doubt jamming Nauen is an option for the British in 1915. Anything they might do would have to be aimed at the receiving station. The Sayville arranagement was so focused on an eastward arc that they could not, for example, use a Canadian station and I think even Bermuda was too much out of the cone. Still, if the Brits were to try, I think they'd have to try from Bermuda. There are at least two other methods and I would expect the British to try both of those first. Both of those have risks. |
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Posts: 9217 (26-Jul-2008 00:57:44) Generally Obscure |
Big Dave -
Thanx! ++++++++++ I liked the back-and-forth with Fox and the workers commiserating about the attitudes of bosses. The tension of labor (especially skilled labor) and management is correct contemporaneously. Management and skilled labor always think they could do the other's job better. +++++++++ It's funny how sometimes a lot of research and work leads to only a bit of a scene here and there. So neat to have some one actually spot one! Thanx again, and I have replied sidebar to you! ;-) jim- last post before heading down to TLC! Yay! Weeeekend! ;-) |
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Posts: 2246 (26-Jul-2008 02:35:33) |
Lying to Fox? Nice way to make the sieg formation famous, the real reason is naturally that you can identify what ships went where in a context that will
puncture any deception effort. A pic of a CL can come from anywhere but the same ship put in context is worth a whole lot more intel wise.
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Posts: 9219 (26-Jul-2008 04:38:04) Generally Obscure |
CJvR -
You're tough, Vice-Admial! ;-))) jim-just got in to house w/TLC Weeeekend! |
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Posts: 2247 (26-Jul-2008 11:23:30) |
I just got the casemates put in place...
Vacation!!! CJR |
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Dave Bender |
Jamming Sayville from Bermuda | ||
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Posts: 6836 (26-Jul-2008 15:31:39) |
I doubt the U.S. government would stand for such a thing. The day after the jamming began Theodore Roosevelt would be threatening to invade Bermuda.
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