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splott	Sometimes you need your passport even if you fly a fighter	Lead	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 95 (21-Jul-2008 00:05:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The link shows a Swedish Gripen pilot showing the passport to Canadian border control after landing in Canada on there way to Nellis AFB and Red Flag 2008. Must have been at Iqaluit on Baffin Island. http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/photo.php?id=151441&nid=41539 I wonder if they filled out the Visa papers for entry to the US in advance or like I have always done, during the end of the flight! :-)
emc		#1	[-]
Posts: 3953 (21-Jul-2008 01:08:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	splott wrote: The link shows a Swedish Gripen pilot showing the passport to Canadian border control after landing in Canada on there way to Nellis AFB and Red Flag 2008. Must have been at Iqaluit on Baffin Island. http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/photo.php?id=151441&nid=41539 I wonder if they filled out the Visa papers for entry to the US in advance or like I have always done, during the end of the flight! :-) I'd love to see the look on the Customs official's face, because I think there's an entry about weapons. Now does he declare the Gripen itself or does he have to declare its gun separately?
Nightwatch2		#2	[-]
Posts: 3761 (21-Jul-2008 17:50:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I recall it well. The President prepares to leave from his overseas stop. On an alert base "somewhere" the E-4B prepares to launch to provide airborne support on the way home. All is ready except for a "brief" delay as the US Customs and Immigration official drops by to check the passports and inventory of the jet..... I'm not kidding. Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
emc		#3	[-]
Posts: 3957 (21-Jul-2008 21:56:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Nightwatch2 wrote: I recall it well. The President prepares to leave from his overseas stop. On an alert base "somewhere" the E-4B prepares to launch to provide airborne support on the way home. All is ready except for a "brief" delay as the US Customs and Immigration official drops by to check the passports and inventory of the jet..... I'm not kidding. Now, since exporting cryptographic equipment is (or was) highly restricted, does Air Force 1 have to get export licenses for all its crypto gear before leaving the US?
Nightwatch2		#4	[-]
Posts: 3764 (21-Jul-2008 22:13:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	emc wrote: Nightwatch2 wrote: I recall it well. The President prepares to leave from his overseas stop. On an alert base "somewhere" the E-4B prepares to launch to provide airborne support on the way home. All is ready except for a "brief" delay as the US Customs and Immigration official drops by to check the passports and inventory of the jet..... I'm not kidding. Now, since exporting cryptographic equipment is (or was) highly restricted, does Air Force 1 have to get export licenses for all its crypto gear before leaving the US? since all of that is on the equipment list - no. what they wanted from us was the standard customs declaration forms and to inspect our baggage, spaces and safes for contraband. You can imagine what kind of response THAT got!! We had to have all of our baggage inspected before we loaded it, they walked the dogs through the aircraft (under very close escort and with everything closed and locked!) and the Col. had to sign a declaration that we had no contraband or undeclared stuff. And of course we all had to present our passports. crazy! this was on the return trip. For a flight going over, we are not exporting anything if we are using it. So the answer to your question is - no. That stuff only comes into play if it is being transferred in some manner. Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare. Last Edited By: Nightwatch2 21-Jul-2008 22:15:11. Edited 1 times.
emc		#5	[-]
Posts: 3958 (22-Jul-2008 04:29:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's just that there were a couple of anthropologists who were arrested on their return to the US (with their laptops) as they didn't get proper export permits for their laptops.
Nightwatch2		#6	[-]
Posts: 3767 (22-Jul-2008 18:55:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	emc wrote: It's just that there were a couple of anthropologists who were arrested on their return to the US (with their laptops) as they didn't get proper export permits for their laptops. I don't doubt you, but that just does not make sense! Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
drunknsubmrnr		#7	[-]
Posts: 1483 (22-Jul-2008 20:01:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"I'd love to see the look on the Customs official's face, because I think there's an entry about weapons. Now does he declare the Gripen itself or does he have to declare its gun separately?" Red passport...he doesn't have to declare anything. Air bursts will not create "Areas of Doom" - Survival under Atomic Attack
Viper		#8	[-]
Posts: 3397 (23-Jul-2008 03:25:36) Supreme Dictator of the Universe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	drunknsubmrnr wrote: "I'd love to see the look on the Customs official's face, because I think there's an entry about weapons. Now does he declare the Gripen itself or does he have to declare its gun separately?" Red passport...he doesn't have to declare anything. Stupid question, what does a red passport mean? Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
drunknsubmrnr		#9	[-]
Posts: 1487 (23-Jul-2008 15:57:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Diplomatic. He can bring in anything except other people on a red passport, without being searched. Green is "Government Business". I think you can get searched on that one. Air bursts will not create "Areas of Doom" - Survival under Atomic Attack
emc		#10	[-]
Posts: 3962 (23-Jul-2008 20:55:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	drunknsubmrnr wrote: "I'd love to see the look on the Customs official's face, because I think there's an entry about weapons. Now does he declare the Gripen itself or does he have to declare its gun separately?" Red passport...he doesn't have to declare anything. Would the pilot get a diplomatic passport?
drunknsubmrnr		#11	[-]
Posts: 1488 (23-Jul-2008 21:22:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If he was flying in a Gripen, he'd either get the "Diplomatic" or "Official Government Business" passports. Flying in on a normal tourist passport would be a bit odd, especially the declaration part. Air bursts will not create "Areas of Doom" - Survival under Atomic Attack
Nightwatch2		#12	[-]
Posts: 3769 (23-Jul-2008 21:41:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	drunknsubmrnr wrote: Diplomatic. He can bring in anything except other people on a red passport, without being searched. Green is "Government Business". I think you can get searched on that one. I thought Black was diplomatic (only to diplomatic staff) and Red was official (which I had on the NEACP) ? Red gets you searched....... Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
emc		#13	[-]
Posts: 3964 (23-Jul-2008 23:54:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Nightwatch2 wrote: drunknsubmrnr wrote: Diplomatic. He can bring in anything except other people on a red passport, without being searched. Green is "Government Business". I think you can get searched on that one. I thought Black was diplomatic (only to diplomatic staff) and Red was official (which I had on the NEACP) ? Red gets you searched....... I don't think there are world-wide standards. For example, according to this site, French diplomatic passports have a blue cover, unless my French is even more pathetic than I think it is, while those of Austria are red. According to one poster here, Japanese diplomatic passports are gold.
wabpilot		#14	[-]
Posts: 2093 (24-Jul-2008 04:00:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have had US passports that were red and others that were green. It did not seem to make any difference. Flying F-4s and F-14s to various countries, we always filled out paperwork. Most of the time, we were met by a customs type at the ramp for an inspection of sorts. The host air force or navy always had someone there to help the inspector and answer questions. I made a very much scheduled landing in Rome that should have gone just fine except someone with the Italian Air Force figured out we had the AWG-9 switched to the search while track mode because the Italian ATC seemed a little less than organized. (I did not want to bump into the airliner in front of us and it was IMC.) The customs guy seemed to enjoy his walkaround of the F-14s but the Air Force helper was all up in arms about us "targeting" an innocent airliner. I might have ratcheted up his excitement just a little when I casually mentioned that we had missile lock while I was leaning against an AIM-7 that had no safe streamers on it. The customs guy was nice enough to stamp our passports and issue us a transaire all while my RIO was giving him a cockpit tour that included firing up the TCS and zooming in on an apartment balcony across the expressway from the airport. Something about a cute chick getting dressed, but my Italian isn't so good.
Viper		#15	[-]
Posts: 3399 (24-Jul-2008 04:26:39) Supreme Dictator of the Universe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It doesn't clear it up but the info is good. And we got a few good stories out of Nightwatch and Wabpilot to boot. Thanks for the input everyone, much appreciated. Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
flyingdutchman1980		#16	[-]
Posts: 122 (24-Jul-2008 15:23:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	emc wrote: Nightwatch2 wrote: drunknsubmrnr wrote: Diplomatic. He can bring in anything except other people on a red passport, without being searched. Green is "Government Business". I think you can get searched on that one. I thought Black was diplomatic (only to diplomatic staff) and Red was official (which I had on the NEACP) ? Red gets you searched....... I don't think there are world-wide standards. For example, according to this site, French diplomatic passports have a blue cover, unless my French is even more pathetic than I think it is, while those of Austria are red. According to one poster here, Japanese diplomatic passports are gold. AFAIK all 'normal' passports within the European Union are (burgundy)red? Older ones could be green or blue for example, but I thought all new ones ought to be red. It wouldn't suprise me if diplomatic passports throughtout the EU were the same.
drunknsubmrnr		#17	[-]
Posts: 1491 (24-Jul-2008 15:44:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hmm...must just be ours then. Our normal ones are blue, with green "Official Business" and red "Diplomatic". We used to have to turn in our "normal" passports for the official green ones, and then apply to the clerks if we wanted them to visit another country on leave. Very annoying. Air bursts will not create "Areas of Doom" - Survival under Atomic Attack
Nightwatch2		#18	[-]
Posts: 3774 (24-Jul-2008 19:54:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	drunknsubmrnr wrote: Hmm...must just be ours then. Our normal ones are blue, with green "Official Business" and red "Diplomatic". We used to have to turn in our "normal" passports for the official green ones, and then apply to the clerks if we wanted them to visit another country on leave. Very annoying. must be different country to county. My official one was Red, personal one is Blue, and the no-fee ones for my family were also Blue. I carried both my Official Red one and Personal Blue one and would vary which one I used, sometimes, depending on which country I was going to. Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.

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