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NoOneFamous |
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Posts: 1269 (13-Jun-2008 19:45:10) |
Royal Oak is able to catch the Admiral Scheer by surprise. Royal Oak has been partially modernized (upgraded weapons). WHo wins?
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Posts: 358 (13-Jun-2008 20:07:11) |
Whoever can run fastest . . .
In fine weather, Admiral Scheer runs from Royal Oak's big guns, and hopes the old-fashioned fire control table can't cope with some radical course alterations. The speed margin isn't vast, but it should be enough. In thick weather or at night, Royal Oak runs from Scheer's torpedos. (Too soon to know yet that they're probably half duds!) The speed deficit isn't vast, so it should be enough. |
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Posts: 8 (13-Jun-2008 22:55:01) |
whoever gets the first critical hit wins
Scheer's guns have range, but are light Oak's guns are much heavier this is finess vrs slugging, (but I lean to the german with her better fire control) |
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Posts: 1789 (13-Jun-2008 23:13:06) |
If Royal Oak can check Scheer in within effective firing range by surprise, I will give Scheer little opportunity to survive...
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Posts: 3549 (13-Jun-2008 23:25:20) |
Wasn't Royal Oak the most up to date of the R's at the time of her sinking?
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Posts: 112 (14-Jun-2008 05:12:01) |
If you're Admiral Scheer, what in the bloody blue hell are you doing anywhere near a battleship that you have at least a ten knot speed advantage
on? Unless you literally stumble upon one in a gale or something, you're not going to close on any battleship in any fleet. You're going to run as fast
as you can.
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ickysdad |
Well if Your Admiral Scheer .... | ||
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Posts: 3156 ( 5-Sep-2013 21:13:42) |
Your probably raiding and that means you avoid any type of warship. Even a few 6" shells can be troublesome if they damage you in the right place.
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Posts: 2297 (14-Jun-2008 09:35:01) |
A very unequal contest, given that Royal Oak is twice as big, has three times the broadside weight, and can essentially penetrate all armour on Scheer at all
ranges. Not a battle the Germans would accept under any circumstances. Fire torpedoes and run!
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Cross648 |
I had the game... | ||
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Posts: 94 (14-Jun-2008 10:29:16) |
Great Naval Battles of the North Atlantic on my 1st PC and a Convoy escorted by the Royal Oak and 2 old DD's got attacked by the Spee and Sheer and 4 DDs.
I thought I was doomed but the Oak got a hit at 22'000 yards on the Spee that really did some damage. She slowed down and I think I knocked out her
forward turret. It was then a matter of concentrating on the Sheer and keeping away from the DD's Torps. It ended out with a shot up Royal Oak but the
Germans lost both Panzershiff's and two destroyers in exchange for both of my destroyers and about 6 months worth of repairs for the Oak.
But then again that game was quite unrealistic. In another engagement the Bismark and PE did their break out and evaded my patrols and hunting groups. They attacked a convoy escorted by the London and 4 Tribals. Three Tribals were sunk as were a few merchant ships and the London was badly mauled but the DD's put a torp into the PE which slowed her and two torps into the Bismark as well as her getting shot up by the DDs and CA. A few days later the Bis and PE attacked a convoy escorted by the Sheffield and 6 DDs and in that battle it descended into a close quarters knife fight. I dont know what I did right but the Bismark stopped firing early on after a series of hits only to resume firing with terrible accuracy. The PE was torpedoed and destroyed and three of my DD's were sunk and again the sheff badly shot up but she used all her ammo on the Bismark who took about 3 - 4 torpedo hits and was dead in the water when I gave up trying to sink her and sailed away. Few days later the Queen Elizabeth, Revenge, KGV and Hood came along and used her for target practice.
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Posts: 3845 (14-Jun-2008 15:13:07) |
NoOneFamous wrote: I would give odds to any real battleship, even the USS Arkansas, against any of the panzerschiffen; they were barely more than over-gunned heavy cruisers. If the Scheer is
caught by surprise, she's dead meat. The only hope the German ship has is to run like a panicked rabbit, and hope that Royal Oak's consorts don't give furious chase.
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Posts: 31 (14-Jun-2008 15:44:59) |
emc wrote:
The main belt of a County class cruiser of the 1920's and built to the limitations of the Washington Treaty (they were actually 10,400t on completion) had almost 1.5 times the armour of the Deutschland class cruisers, though 8 inch guns instead of 11 inch, any British battleship, especially an old and slow one like a revenge class would most likely have likely be supported by lighter destroyers and cruisers. The Scheer Traded Armour for fire power, it would have been toast, the 15 inch guns from the Royal Oak would go straight through it, while its own shells would do limited damage (ships with 15 inch guns were "supposedly" armoured against 15 inch shells). For reference, please look up the Admiral Graf Spee.
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Posts: 1886 (14-Jun-2008 16:30:18) |
PMN1 wrote: Easily the best of her class. Her '30s modernization saw her get an additional 4in over the magazines and 2 1/2in over the magazines, 900 tons of
armor. IIRC, none of her sisters had this done.
Your Text Signature ...
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Posts: 13 (17-Jun-2008 00:17:09) |
What on earth are we talking about here? What if topics have some value, but this has no value at all. What if the Royal Oak was given warp drive? would she
be able to stop a galaxy class starship?. I may be ex army and so be laxing somewhat in Ocean going brain cells but surely there has to be a limit somewhere.
The Revenge class was never going to be modernised so this what if is pointless, what if what? why can't people stick to real life? Put realistic
combatets against each other. What if the Wright brothers had taken a slingshot on their epic flight? would they have been able to defeat a Spitfire? Dahhh.
crap subject, stupid topic, get a lfe!!
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Posts: 24 (17-Jun-2008 00:34:33) |
aghart1 wrote: LOL. Says the guy who's taken time to read and even respond.
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Posts: 3289 (17-Jun-2008 00:41:02) |
aghart1 wrote:
I agree 100%. You ought to read some of the mind trash some n the Submarine Forum display as fact. Mike
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Posts: 722 (17-Jun-2008 01:04:55) |
Gents maybe I'm wrong but didn't the Rs spend much of their time plodding along as convoy escorts. In fact, I believe that one R scared off S&G.
That being said, I do not expect a PB to want to engage an R in a daylight slug fest. Now, at night / low visibility could a PB stumble on a convoy protected by an R? Not outside the realm of possibilities. Now if you want real outlandish, may I refer you to the infamous 4 Montanas vs. the Grand-fleet at Jutland thread?
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Posts: 17 (17-Jun-2008 19:28:28) |
Gents maybe I'm wrong but didn't the Rs spend much of their time plodding along as convoy escorts. Just going to say that - as Yamato v Iowa / 2 x KGV / Montana / ship of your choice has been done ad nauseam, it's possibly interesting to look at two ships (or ship classes, at least) that actually could plausibly have met, even though the answer is pretty straightforward in that in almost any circumstance the PB runs, and if it can't, is messed up rather badly. Have to agree that some of the threads elsewhere on "why can't US subs have 32 torpedo tubes?" and "can a Nimitz carry an air group of >120 planes?" are a little bizarre, but if people don't ask for responses from those who may (or may not be, in some cases) a little better informed, then they're always going to have nonsensical ideas. |
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