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Gene Slover |
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Posts: 6385 ( 9-Jun-2008 12:07:10) |
the HMS Hood?
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Posts: 1258 ( 9-Jun-2008 14:38:48) |
Bismarck and Prinz Eugen, actually just the Bismarck.
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Gene Slover |
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Posts: 6386 ( 9-Jun-2008 20:04:42) |
The german navy credits the kill to prinz eugen
Bismarck, direct hit. http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/AMMUNITION/BISMARCK-DIRECT-HIT.html |
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Posts: 80 ( 9-Jun-2008 20:18:07) |
Its not "The HMS Hood" it could be either "What sunk HMS Hood?" or "What Sunk the Hood?". The HMS (His ( or Her Majesty's
Ship) takes the place of the "The". The "The" thing works with "The USS Enterprise" but not "The HMS Enterprise".
Winston Churchill said that the USA and the UK were two peoples separated by a common language !
Don't get me started on "On a ship" rather than "in" a ship. ashley |
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Posts: 6388 ( 9-Jun-2008 20:22:34) |
Sorry I insulted the Kings english. Or is it the Queen's english?
I already told everybody that half of us could not read or write in 1940. I ain't much better now:-) |
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BOBC 59 |
what ship sunk the HMS HOOD | ||
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Posts: 1196 ( 9-Jun-2008 20:26:38) |
HMM guess the board has a gramar police officer it's gonna have its work cut out with me posting! i just type what pops in to my mind and da way I would
say it
NUFF SAID BOB
For those that fought for it,Freedom has a taste and meaning ,The protected will never know.
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bill jurens |
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Posts: 609 ( 9-Jun-2008 20:37:33) |
The previous posting on balloons was bad enough, but this page must set some sort of record for innaccuracies in a single caption. First, Bismarck was sunk
during the day not at night. Secondly, the British took relatively few images of the final action, and certainly not this one, as it shows Bismarck at Denmark
Strait. Prinz Eugen was not even present when Bismarck was sunk. I have to admit that I can't see any claim in the text that Prinz Eugen actually
accomplished the sinking. The only mention seems to be that the photo was taken from Prinz Eugen.
Certainly the quality of research that went in to this particular publication was abysmally low... Bill Jurens |
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BOBC 59 |
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Posts: 1197 ( 9-Jun-2008 21:55:42) |
HMMM it seems some peeps get thier tail feather in a Tizze every time Gene posts a article
NUFF SAID BOBC He is rite more time than not! go ahead pick dis apart for correctness
For those that fought for it,Freedom has a taste and meaning ,The protected will never know.
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Posts: 94 ( 9-Jun-2008 22:07:17) |
Bill,
bearing in mind that the photograph WAS taken from Prinz Eugen, and that it is remarkably similar to one which I've seen recently (will hunt through my bookcase)- the caption for which states "time exposure makes day look like night" for the photo. Also, I seem to remember the action occuring at Daft O'clock, so "night time" could be forgiven for being mistaken. Must admit I always had an interest in the Hood, ever since I found out that I grew up with a descendant of one of Hood's crew.
Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last 500 years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now when it's worked so well?
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Posts: 7032 ( 9-Jun-2008 22:07:59) Corn Boss |
"The german navy credits the kill to prinz eugen"
No, the German navy does not credit the kill to Prinz Eugen, since she was not even shooting at Hood at the time. The theory became very popular postwar, entirely for its novelty, I suppose, and it continues to show up in print every so often. The last time I saw it was when Andrew Norman's Hood book came out. When I first heard his specific take on the PE theory, I thought it was a joke--an 8in shell plummeting straight down Hood's funnel. You know, I still think it's a joke.... |
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Posts: 574 (10-Jun-2008 02:01:36) |
Is it my deficient eyesight or does the Bismarck look a little down in the bows in this photo? Could this photo have been taken after she was hit by PoW?
At the relatively short range of the Hood when she blew up how does a shell drop down the funnel? |
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Posts: 610 (10-Jun-2008 02:48:10) |
Craig wrote:
"Bill, bearing in mind that the photograph WAS taken from Prinz Eugen, and that it is remarkably similar to one which I've seen recently (will hunt through my bookcase)- the caption for which states "time exposure makes day look like night" for the photo. Also, I seem to remember the action occuring at Daft O'clock, so "night time" could be forgiven for being mistaken." Not to be argumentative, but... the caption SAYS it was taken from Prinz Eugen -- which makes sense as she was the only ship close enough to Bismarck to have exposed such a photo -- and if that is the case it could not have been taken during the final action with Bismarck as at that time Prinz Eugen was not even present. I am unaware of any other researcher, anywhere, at any time, that has attributed this (really well-known) photo to other than the action of 24 May, and am certainly baffled as to how anyone could have exposed the photo from a German ship, as Bismarck was basically sunk alone. Had such a photo been exposed by the British, it certainly would have been archived somewhere, and correctly attributed. In the absence of solid and previously unknown evidence in support of this new hypothesis, it is much more reasonable to simply assume that the caption writer either did not know or did not care if the caption was actually correct. I suspect the latter. The flash is not from a direct hit; it's from the blast of Bismarck's guns, then firing over the port bow. As a practicing photographer, the 'time exposure' explanation seems very odd to me; first of all, as the photo shows little movement, the time exposure could not have been that long. Had it been so, the ship would have been heavily blurred. It is possible to concoct the highly improbable idea that that someone exposed such a photo late at night on what was once called 'open shutter', i.e. with the shutter locked open. In that situation, the light from an explosion would have been the main source of illumination and blurring would have been less because no effective exposure would occur prior to and after the blast. The idea that the "time exposure makes day look like night" makes no sense to me at all; a time exposure might make night look like day, but not the other way around, and such exposures, especially given the photographic technology of World War II, would typically take minutes -- basically impossible during a naval action. There was an old movie technique called 'night for day' that makes shots taken in daylight look as though they were (sort of) taken at night, but this requires special film, filters, and processing. Not to be tried at home... I can also make no sense of the statement "... the action occuring at Daft O'clock..." The plain fact is that "All Hands" and "Our Navy" are just not very reliable information sources. That's why no serious researcher uses them. Or at least I am not aware of any... Bill Jurens |
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Posts: 6389 (10-Jun-2008 03:01:58) |
Never met a serious researcher:-) I assume that being a serious researcher means they don't make mistakes. I ain't seen that yet either
Actualy Bill is right its the flash of the Bismarck's guns firing. No it's not a time photo. Its taken from the deck of a rollong pitching ship. Need I go on.
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Posts: 6391 (10-Jun-2008 03:18:41) |
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Gene Slover |
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Posts: 6392 (10-Jun-2008 03:28:46) |
A serious researcher would become an alcholic reading my stuff on this board.
Hmmmmmm Maybe I need several stiff drinks as well. I do have a lot of fun here:-) Maybe its the drinks? |
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Tiornu |
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Posts: 7033 (10-Jun-2008 04:20:38) Corn Boss |
"At the relatively short range of the Hood when she blew up how does a shell drop down the funnel?"
The theory I offered is that PE bounced a shell off a low-flying billiards table. In reality, the shell would have been descending at roughly 20deg, so the answer to your question is that a shell does not drop down the funnel. I don't know what it is about funnels. People thought Arizona was destroyed by a bomb going down her stack. People thought Marat was blown up by a bomb going down her stack. And now Hood. Andrew Norman was obviously not researching his subject, and frankly, I don't blame him as much as I blame the publisher. People are free to write whatever they want, but you expect an experienced publisher (Stackpole for the American edition) to have some standards. |
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Posts: 714 (10-Jun-2008 04:55:25) |
Tiornu wrote:It's quite hush hush but at the time the funnels lead directly to the warp core and if it was breached in any way BOOM!! This would never happen today because of the shielding. |
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Posts: 518 (10-Jun-2008 05:21:07) |
Its the old death star theory
"Use the Force Luke"
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Posts: 6393 (10-Jun-2008 07:01:30) |
The Bismarck is also firing at about 30 degrees elevation.
I knew that:-)
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Tiornu |
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Posts: 7034 (10-Jun-2008 07:10:43) Corn Boss |
The maximum elevation of Bismarck's guns was 30deg. The gunnery versus Hood took place at elevations under 15deg.
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Posts: 204 (10-Jun-2008 17:06:19) |
Tiornu wrote: Don't forget how Colin Kelly sank the Haruna with a bomb down the funnel. |
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