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Posts: 939 ( 3-Jun-2008 10:19:23) |
Desertfox wrote: True.
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Posts: 71 ( 3-Jun-2008 15:33:33) |
Desertfox wrote: That would be a nice addition to TLW IMO.
Work is so overrated, just like a steady income! 
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Posts: 84 ( 3-Jun-2008 17:57:59) |
PMN1 wrote: but IMNSHO Brussels is almost as much to blame for that disaster as Ivan |
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Posts: 6441 ( 3-Jun-2008 18:15:14) |
In RSR the Soviets took Iceland by sneaking a Ro-Ro cargo ship loaded with an airborne division close to the island before the outbreak of war, so that they
hit the place within hours of H-Hour immediately after an air attack. In TLW Iceland is already garrisoned by the 187th Infantry Brigade (Sep) of the USAR. The
resources that Clancy had the Soviets spend on Iceland have instead been used on operations against Denmark.
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Posts: 940 ( 3-Jun-2008 18:27:45) |
First, be reminded that do not want to downgrade your splendid work, but:
It is true that something like the Alfeld Breakthrough in RSR has not been there yet, and I agree with the general consensus here. EDIT: I also just started Robert Conroys 1901, with 1862 waiting for me.
Bond: Do you expect me to talk? Goldfinger: No, Mr Bond, I expect you to die! There's nothing about you that I don't already know!
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Posts: 6442 ( 3-Jun-2008 19:40:37) |
It is true that something like the Alfeld Breakthrough in RSR has not been there yet, and I agree with the general consensus here.
We're only 6 days into the war, from my interpretation, the Alfeld Breakthrough did not take place until much later. Hackett had the Soviet breakthrough (the Krefeld Salient) not take place until after 10 days had elapsed. Part of what I'm trying to illustrate with TLW is that a large scale conventional war in Europe with modern technology is probably going to resemble WW1 more than WW2. Both attacker and defender will take horrendous losses, but a breakthrough is not likely to occur until one side has suffered serious attrition, or out runs their supply lines. NATO can lose if the WP manages a major breakthrough and destroys a large proportion of their forces before a new line can be formed, or if there is a political collapse triggered by a major battlefield set-back, for example a NATO capital falling (Copenhagen is vulnerable, btw). The WP can lose if NATO inflicts heavy attrition on it and it outruns its supply lines at the point that major US reinforcements arrive.
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Posts: 941 ( 3-Jun-2008 20:38:14) |
JNiemczyk wrote: Thanks for clearing that up, I really apprechiate that. And in the book I just got to the part where the Americans get backwards cash&carry from
Europe. All I can say about that is "Rule Britannia".
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Posts: 72 ( 3-Jun-2008 23:04:54) |
JNiemczyk wrote: Wow, only 6 days? With longwinding stories like Letters and TLW I tend to lose track of things like that. One more reason to write faster! I don't know if I agree with WWIII looking more like WWI; although the shell-shortage in early WWI will definitely occur again, but then with
expensive/taking long to build weaponry. Agree about the horrible losses.
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Posts: 157 ( 4-Jun-2008 00:41:53) |
Regarding NATO capitals falling: there were two in Hackett's books (leaving aside the Italians basically letting the Russians come in, never likely in any
case IMHO), Ivan overran Denmark within 2-3 days, and the Danish Government flew to London, while the Dutch lost everything north of the Rhine, including The
Hague, with their government moving to Eindhoven. If the Krefeld Salient hadn't been B-52'd, it would have been far different, with either surrender or
nuclear release (the latter being most likely). But once 20th Guards Army had been battered, and the defense put back together, the Soviets knew they
couldn't push forward any farther down the Rhine, and had to pull back.
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Posts: 1251 ( 4-Jun-2008 02:34:52) |
1901 is a good book
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Posts: 6445 ( 4-Jun-2008 17:59:14) |
I don't know if I agree with WWIII looking more like WWI
Not actually physically with trench lines and what not, but it would probably be a mechanised equivalent. Advances will be slow and costly. At least pre-war stocks of shells should last longer than in 1914, at least for the British Army anyway. For once what we did was estimate how many we would expend in about a couple of months of high intensity fighting, then double the figure for good measure. Matt, I think other than the WW3 series of novels, Hackett et al takes the WP advance as about as far West as I've ever seen. 1901 is a good book I've never read it, though it gets mixed reviews on Amazon.uk. Of 6 reviews there are one 4 star, three 3 star, and 3 two stars. 1862 gets an even worse ride - of six reviews it gets one 4 star, one 3 star, one two star and three one star. A review also mentions that the author refers to 'us' (the Union) and 'them' (the British Empire). Has anyone read 'Britannia's First: From Civil War to World War', by Peter G. Tsouras?
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Posts: 942 ( 4-Jun-2008 18:32:21) |
JNiemczyk wrote: I liked the book so far, and I'm about 90% through. ( always been a fast reader )
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Posts: 6446 ( 4-Jun-2008 19:48:40) |
1901? I presume the United States wins then.
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Posts: 943 ( 4-Jun-2008 20:59:26) |
JNiemczyk wrote: Yes and the defeat causes a Nazi-type gouvernemnt to take power in Germany in early 1902. Go figure.
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Posts: 6448 ( 4-Jun-2008 22:16:13) |
Surprise, surprise.
Does the USA end up being the world's premier power, or does Conroy manage to avoid descending into 'wank'? Review of 1862.
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Posts: 944 ( 4-Jun-2008 23:07:00) |
JNiemczyk wrote: naa. He doesn't wank, at least not that I could see, unless you count the increase of Army and Navy to almost WWI levels as a wank.
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Posts: 6449 ( 4-Jun-2008 23:41:39) |
That review of his historical research for 1862 was pretty damming didn't you think?
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Posts: 945 ( 5-Jun-2008 00:00:29) |
JNiemczyk wrote: Yes, but I've always been able to overlook such things if the rest of the boook, i.e. the action is fun. Hadn't I been able to do that I would have stopped reading clancy much earlier.
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Posts: 158 ( 5-Jun-2008 03:23:47) |
For a really interesting AH, try Death is Lighter Than a Feather, by David Westheimer. It's a fictional depiction of Operation OLYMPIC, the
planned invasion of Kyushu scheduled for November 1945 that the A-bombs thankfully made unnecessary. He has the Manhattan Project running into various delays
that push back the bomb's being ready until Spring '46. And thus the U.S. lands on Kyushu in a campaign that has nearly twice as many casualties as
Okinawa for the U.S., while Japanese losses are horrendous. Southern Kyushu is occupied, and Japan surrenders on 14 Jan 1946, six weeks prior to the scheduled
launch of Operation CORONET, the invasion of the Kanto Plain.
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Posts: 946 ( 5-Jun-2008 14:24:48) |
Matt Wiser wrote: Is it avaible on Amazon?
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