Letterstime-Ein Geleitzug: Homeward Bound? Part LVII

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SMS12	PFFFFFFT!	#61	[-]
Posts: 703 (29-May-2008 14:00:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	HA, my ancestry takes me out of the Baron's chain of command. My allegiance is to my King, Franz Josef. I'm Hungarian so I get to call him King. Now if jim manages to get the KuK fleet to sortie, I may be in trouble. Time to transfer to a desk job.
borys68		#62	[-]
Posts: 2573 (29-May-2008 15:21:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ahoj! I'm tempted to take up Jim's standing offer to write about LT hot action in the Adriai-tenger Borys
moltke1	Go for it - Borys	#63	[-]
Posts: 495 (29-May-2008 15:34:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	unless you serve us another Officer and gentleman sequel Last Edited By: moltke1 29-May-2008 15:40:17. Edited 1 times.
borys68		#64	[-]
Posts: 2574 (29-May-2008 15:38:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ahoj I was just trying to get SMS12 worried I'm clueless about WWI in the Adriatischer Meer. Borys
moltke1	Hints , Tipps and more?	#65	[-]
Posts: 496 (29-May-2008 15:43:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I might be able to give you an idea, mission sink Seine Majestät Schiff 12. (evil grin)
SMS12		#66	[-]
Posts: 704 (29-May-2008 18:18:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sends out his transfer to the supply branch in triplicate and marked "Most Urgent". Also checking travel brochures to Switzerland.
jim 1		#67	[-]
Posts: 9062 (30-May-2008 06:22:43) Generally Obscure Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	KuK sortie, eh? Hmmmmm
CJvR		#68	[-]
Posts: 2161 (30-May-2008 07:40:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As long as Italy is sitting on the fence the KuK might be a bit more active, but also cautious since a major setback might nudge Italy of the fence. I dont know if there are any real targets around that would justify sending the KuK battlefleet out into harms way, no big well defended convoys or bridgeheads that needs to be isolated. If the Serbians retreat through Albania in LT as well as in RT then that would be a task for the KuK but appart from that...?
moltke1	Possible KuK Missions	#69	[-]
Posts: 497 (30-May-2008 08:51:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	There might well be interesting options: attack the French blockade line (mostly AC's) at the longitude of Corfu interdict the trickle of supplies to the Montenegrin / Albanian harbors U-Boat attack after 1 and / or 2 The risk of both is not that great. It will surely impress the Italians, weaken the French and will force them to use their fleet more actively. It may have consequences for the Dardanelles evacuation and the dislocation of the English Mediterranean fleet. It surely will give the AH Fleet useful experience. Forces needed for 1: Viribus Unitis, Tegetthoff, Prinz Eugen, Radetzky, Zrinyi, Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand, the three Erzherzog-Class PD's,. Use all or some of them. The AC's Sankt Georg and Kaiser Karl . And of coures the modern scouts of the Helgoland-class and Admiral Spaun and the Tatra destroyers. Forces needed for 2: a cover Force of some DN/PD, the AC's and some cruisers. Destroyers Huzar and Tatra Types. It can be a BIG BANG or just a small sign: Hey guys, here we are. It would be fun and interesting stuff, I think.
borys68		#70	[-]
Posts: 2576 (30-May-2008 09:35:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ahoj! The KuK already botched one thing - they allowed the Italians to set themselves up at Valona. Now they should combione plan #2 with the capture of Durres/Durazzo, and carry out #1 from there. The KuK should not only attack the French blokade line, but sortie even further south. The need to provide escorts for shipping in the middle Med should get the Entente excited ... Borys
SMS12		#71	[-]
Posts: 705 (30-May-2008 13:51:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	jim 1 wrote: KuK sortie, eh? Hmmmmm Uh-oh! <Prepares his will and downs his 20 year old bottle of champagne - might as well use it now, my future is behind me!>
ViribusUnitis		#72	[-]
Posts: 481 (30-May-2008 16:02:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Admiral Haus is never ever going to risk all of his main units unless Italy is definitely on the Triple Alliance side (again). A quick strike to Corfu with the Erzherzogs, the ACs and the scout cruisers on the other hand, with the dreadnoughts and the Radetzkys as distant cover force might be an option if you want to think big. This sortie should happen during the attack on Montenegro and could transfer some units to Cattaro.
moltke1	Kamerad Schnürschuh	#73	[-]
Posts: 501 (30-May-2008 16:21:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello Wien, I see we are advancing in the same and right direction. Your's is a plan. I'd did not wait too long with the doing. The tracks are still fresh.
Dave Bender	KuK might be a bit more active	#74	[-]
Posts: 6527 (30-May-2008 16:25:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The most important KuK mission is to keep Entente warships out of the Adriatic. That way cargo arriving in Italy can be trans-shipped to Austria-Hungary without difficulty. Neutral Italy will protect their own merchant shipping. If A-H had some long range cruisers then they could assist the Pola U boat flotilla in closing the central Med to Entente shipping. But I don't think they have the right ship types for this mission. As in the Atlantic, the number of enemy warships sunk does not matter. What counts is commerce protection and commerce interdiction.
ViribusUnitis		#75	[-]
Posts: 482 (31-May-2008 19:29:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	moltke1 wrote: Hello Wien, I see we are advancing in the same and right direction. Your's is a plan. I'd did not wait too long with the doing. The tracks are still fresh. I'm not that good an author to write such a story :-) Dave Bender KuK might be a bit more active [....] If A-H had some long range cruisers then they could assist the Pola U boat flotilla in closing the central Med to Entente shipping. But I don't think they have the right ship types for this mission. As in the Atlantic, the number of enemy warships sunk does not matter. What counts is commerce protection and commerce interdiction. I'd expect surface commerce warfare against the RN/MN in the Mediterranean Sea to be a suicide mission. Maybe I underestimate the Med, but I don't think you'd have enough sea room to run away far enough to escape after an emergency call was transmitted. In addition, (as you say) I'm not sure the Helgolands (everything else is definitely unsuitable as a raider) have the range (couldn't find any data in my books). Last Edited By: ViribusUnitis 31-May-2008 19:37:57. Edited 1 times.
Dave Bender	Not sure the Helgolands have the range	#76	[-]
Posts: 6532 (31-May-2008 19:52:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Speaking of which.... Like the Kaiserliche Marine, the KuK Marine has the option to alter their ship building program based on actual wartime experience. The KuK could put their dreadnoughts on hold and start building CLs with good endurance. Austria-Hungary has an advantage here as they have oil but no high quality steamship coal. Using oil fuel for new CLs would be a logical step. Austria-Hungary could also start building ocean going U boats using the existing German Type Mittel U designs.
ViribusUnitis		#77	[-]
Posts: 483 (31-May-2008 21:14:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	IIRC, the Ersatz Monarch-dreadnoughts were not even started, just a few guns constructed and ceded to the army. The only 'large' vessels completed were the remaining cruisers, otherwise ship construction focused on destroyers and submarines. With no need to conscript additional soldiers for operations against Italy, the shipbuilding program might be reorganised and include some small cruisers or large destroyers for operations against the French blockade line.
Dave Bender	Small cruisers or large destroyers	#78	[-]
Posts: 6533 (31-May-2008 22:24:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/ships/torpedoboats/gtb1916/tech.html The mission calls for something similiar to the historical GTB1916. Just increase the endurance to 8,000 miles @ 14 kts. Max displacement will probably be close to 3,000 tons to accomodate the additional fuel oil. Squeeze a seaplane on the stern to assist with spotting merchant ships.
nebraskan		#79	[-]
Posts: 688 (31-May-2008 23:13:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It'd be Terilyn I'd be most concerned about, if I were a character in LT. Could she be a liner stowaway? Maybe staying low in a cozy lovenest with, say, that engineer from Nebraska? ;-) Umm... Terilyn's not my type... You know, I think I hear an odd noise coming from Imperator's machinery, I think I'll go check on it... Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket...
ViribusUnitis		#80	[-]
Posts: 484 ( 1-Jun-2008 10:21:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dave Bender wrote: http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/ships/torpedoboats/gtb1916/tech.html The mission calls for something similiar to the historical GTB1916. Just increase the endurance to 8,000 miles @ 14 kts. Max displacement will probably be close to 3,000 tons to accomodate the additional fuel oil. Squeeze a seaplane on the stern to assist with spotting merchant ships. I was thinking of a ship similar to Brummer and Bremse, but the GTB looks not bad. I have my doubts about the 15 cm guns, "we" might rearm them with the 12 cm guns taken from the two remaining Zenta-class cruisers. Another option: China (!) has some cruisers (three about 2000 ts, one at ~ 5000ts) building at Montfalcone. The small ones should be armed with 4x 15 cm guns and have a light displacement of 1800 ts (no data about their speed). With a few modifications they'd make a valuable addition to the fleet and support the Helgolands in their blockade disruption duties.

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