Future Lynx is a small order and would hardly meet the shortfall.
I think that Type 45, 7 and 8 will be cancelled in favour of C1 starting earlier and to follow on from Type 45 and the expensive part of FRES will be delayed.
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Posts: 2387 (16-May-2008 23:08:49) |
There are no easy answers. Typhoon cut means penalties will cost the same as purchase, plus the RAF combat force is already overstretched. Astute orders are
particularly needed to retain skills and jobs until the replacement Trident programe is starting. MRA4 plenty of money has spent and the Nimrods need
replacing, so if it is going to be scrapped, can the RAF borrow USN Orions, till it can purchase P-8s?
Future Lynx is a small order and would hardly meet the shortfall. I think that Type 45, 7 and 8 will be cancelled in favour of C1 starting earlier and to follow on from Type 45 and the expensive part of FRES will be delayed. |
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Posts: 621 (17-May-2008 09:13:17) |
In my opinion FRES will be drastically cut back from 3000 vehicles to 1200.
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Posts: 350 (17-May-2008 13:58:04) |
The first steel is not set to be cut for the carriers until January 2009, but both South Tyneside yards will be busy with preparatory work in the next few months.This is the first report I have seen that specifies a date (month) for cutting first steel. I expect the full story of the construction plan will unfold over the coming months. It seems unlikely that they would make a start without carefully co-ordinated timetables for each yard. Hopefully, experience from the Astute and Daring programmes will guide the project management to a snag free build.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Want10Destroyers/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/4Subs88Months/
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Posts: 225 (17-May-2008 14:19:39) |
They've had more than enough time to plan everything down to the minutest detail, so the margin for excuses is very slim indeed!
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Posts: 13 (17-May-2008 22:45:28) |
What I find most worrying is that the press has come down firmly against the carriers. Every time they're mentioned - ie, in today's times - its
explicitly claimed they're only getting built because Rosyth is next to brown's constituency.
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Posts: 2389 (17-May-2008 23:19:33) |
Both the Financial Times and the Times think the Advanced Lynx is for the RAF, when it is for the Royal Navy and the British Army.
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Posts: 519 (18-May-2008 14:45:25) |
mediadave wrote: So the press hate Gordon - so what? As long as the carriers get built, DILLIGAF? Cheers, Cliff |
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Posts: 354 (19-May-2008 06:32:07) |
Last time so little was put by for defence and Pompey won the FA Cup World War Two broke out. Generally, I think Brown has built up the economy well, but he
has a dogmatic aversion to defence spending and his team of the talents is lacking, in talent. Darling failed to target the U-turn on those worst off. He
missed the moral point about cutting the 10% rate. Gordon should axe him and distance himself from this PR fiasco. Where is the talent to come from? I'm
not confident in any of the political parties right now. The Tories may be leading the polls, but that is more a vote against the government than for the
opposition team.
Tony Blair was just a little too quick and keen to implement US foreign policy. Look how much the US gained from being late in for both world wars. Trade is the war that never ends. As long as we maintain the industrial capability, the economy is the main priority. I'm not looking for 5% of GDP on defence. We do need to ring-fence the essentials however. We are feeding on seed corn right now. Red lines need to be drawn to prevent costly erosion of strategic industrial capability. The cuts have got so bad that I no longer care if we get the carriers, as long as we continue to build subs, ships, helicopters and aircraft, radars, sonars, communication systems, satellites and software suites at a sustainable rate. It isn't important that we fight the peace well, only that we are ready for if it ends. A sustained serial aircraft carrier programme would be better then a brief burst of two at once. I'm not sure how much you could slow down the drumbeat without losing any experience between vessels, but I am sure that unless we seek to do this we shouldn't bother with carriers at all.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Want10Destroyers/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/4Subs88Months/
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Posts: 2248 (19-May-2008 10:29:46) |
The best is the enemy of the good enough? If we can't have a sustained carrier program (how many do you want?) then lets not have any at all?
If you want a sustained carrier prog you need as many carriers as frigates, knocking them out every three or four years. Theres only one economy in the world that can afford that. Look at the difficulty Russia, France, India and China are having/had building carriers, the UK is not doing so badly you know. Whats held up the CVF's is not technical or design difficulties, but political competance and funding. |
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