What if Sweden or UK arms Israel's airforce i/o of France?

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emc		#11	[-]
Posts: 3764 (15-May-2008 23:14:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I suspect that the Sea Vixen (assuming somebody figured out how to put a gun on it) and Lightnings would deal quite nicely with MiGs and Sukhois; the Lightning had a stellar reputation as a dogfighter. Assuming it didn't run out of gas;-(
caioduilio		#12	[-]
Posts: 77 (15-May-2008 23:34:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sea Vixen??? No, I remember a discussion in this board a few years ago about Sea Vixen, The general agreement was that Mig19s outperformed them and in the Konfrontasi the only viable option for FAA was to nuke indonesian airports... Sea Vixen was good in early 60s as a night interceptor and it could have been useful also in VMC but when far from enemy airports like in open sea to counter bombers and patrol aircraft. Full stop! Last Edited By: caioduilio 16-May-2008 00:19:23. Edited 1 times.
Admiral Beez		#13	[-]
Posts: 4540 (15-May-2008 23:42:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	With all the naval gear removed, such as heavy landing gear and hook, with lighter fixed wings, and removal of the other crew member (the navigator) position, perhaps the lighter "land" Vixen would perform competitively against the Arab MiGs?
Admiral Beez		#14	[-]
Posts: 4541 (15-May-2008 23:57:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Lightnings would have been great in Israeli service. When your country is only 260 miles at its longest, and with three main air bases, endurance of 800 miles or less isn't that bad. Check out some videos of the Lightning... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-sDdVkGVDs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyjZ0besnYY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cjhwGFrJdw&feature=related
CliffS		#15	[-]
Posts: 511 (16-May-2008 04:46:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Lightning was aptly named - it was all about speed. And yes, it was a superb dogfighter: typically British post-WWII defensive design, when the Brits were going to fight the Battle of Britain all over again, against the Soviets this time. In short, tailor-made for Israeli needs. It lacked a true CAS capability; perhaps the IAF would be interested in a few Hunter FGA9's? Cheers, Cliff
Zen9		#16	[-]
Posts: 3540 (17-May-2008 01:44:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sea Vixen, seems AI.18 had troubles with integration of a illuminator for SARH missiles, if the Israelis get this, then perhaps they can fix that? In terms of a SeaVixen DH110 order they could do so from the early 50's. DH would love to have such an order. Javelin or Canberra? Swift may be the better machine for low level attack/recce and is a rugged machine. Lightnings seem ideal, for such a small country. Add in AWA.166 and Fairey Delta II variants, Supermarine type 545 (crescent winged Swift) prototype circa '55, supersonic thin wing Hunter of a similar periode. Scimitar depends, basic machine is fine for a ground attack type, rather like that offered to both the Swiss and the RAF. FAW variants on order from 1954 to 1956 are of interest. Buccaneer is a powerful weapon to have! Add in Saro P.177, and SR.54, as well as Gnat from marks 1 to 5.
CliffS		#17	[-]
Posts: 516 (17-May-2008 15:30:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Zen9 wrote: Sea Vixen, seems AI.18 had troubles with integration of a illuminator for SARH missiles, if the Israelis get this, then perhaps they can fix that? In terms of a SeaVixen DH110 order they could do so from the early 50's. DH would love to have such an order. Javelin or Canberra? Swift may be the better machine for low level attack/recce and is a rugged machine. Lightnings seem ideal, for such a small country. Add in AWA.166 and Fairey Delta II variants, Supermarine type 545 (crescent winged Swift) prototype circa '55, supersonic thin wing Hunter of a similar periode. Scimitar depends, basic machine is fine for a ground attack type, rather like that offered to both the Swiss and the RAF. FAW variants on order from 1954 to 1956 are of interest. Buccaneer is a powerful weapon to have! Add in Saro P.177, and SR.54, as well as Gnat from marks 1 to 5. Zen - Y no Hunter? Superb machine. (Agree re. Buccaneer, BTW.) Cheers, Cliff
Zen9		#18	[-]
Posts: 3542 (17-May-2008 16:23:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I did mention the thin wing Hunter. Which is perhaps more suited to their needs.
Admiral Beez		#19	[-]
Posts: 4542 (18-May-2008 02:26:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, let's stick to aircraft that actually made it into British production and service. The Israelis won't order enough of the British "what if" planes to justify production in the absence of British orders.
Zen9		#20	[-]
Posts: 3543 (18-May-2008 11:49:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Components of the thin wing Hunter where produced, an actual machine was in production when the cancelation came through and Hawkers converted it into a normal Hunter. Supermarines Type 545 was also substantialy near completion when canceled. However considering that it would be the UK financing any Israeli purchase, I suspect the most likely option is ex-RAF Javelins and Swifts straight from the production line. That or just Attackers and Venoms.

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