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jer6164niu |
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Posts: 2 (14-May-2008 04:55:06) |
I am relitively new to this board and spend a lot of time on class work, thank god finals are over anyway, and i am sure that this has been done but i was just
kinda curious what do you think would have happened if say the USS Alaska had been commissioned say 6 months earlier and made it to the Pacific about a month
or so before the Battle of the Philippine Sea. The Alaska along with a few tin cans was patrolling around the area of the Caroline Islands the IJN Haruna
happens to be in the area with a similar force. What will happen? you may pick night or day just a general question.
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Posts: 87 (14-May-2008 19:41:13) |
Quick answer- one fewer Kongo class BC afloat.
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Dave Bender |
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Posts: 6490 (14-May-2008 20:45:08) |
The American BC is 29 years newer. This fight can end only one way unless the American commander screws up badly.
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E F Draaijers |
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Posts: 192 (14-May-2008 22:55:16) |
In theory the newer USN ship wil prevail at the shorter range, where her guns can threaten a Kongo's thin side armor, while at longer ranges the thicker
deckarmor of the older, but heavily modernized IJN ship may very well be a match for the plunging shells of the 12 inch guns of the USS Alaska. USS Alaska has
a thinner deck, since she was only designed to defeat 8 inch shells, so the heavier 14 inch guns of a Kongo can defeat it.
Secondly the USN 12 inch/ 50 Mk. 8 is an expensive and untried weapon, compared to the reliable IJN 14 inch/ 45 of either Vickers Mk. A, 41st and 43th year type, such as mounted on IJN battleships, including the Kongo's. Compared to this, the likelyhood of the untried USN gun to operate smoothly during the first real engagement is very unlikely, as with all newly designed weapons. Older guns often are battletested and considered reliable, or they would have been replaced by more efficient ones before that. Thirdly the USS Alaska is vulnerable to 14 inch fire at all ranges, while a Kongo is only at short range vulnerable to the 12 inch guns of the USN ship, meaning the USN ship needs to get close to her target. (Kongo refit has a main armored deck up to 5 inch thick, while USS Alaska only has 4 inch at the thickest over her magazines.) This makes a Kongo a good protected vessel against plunging shells of up to her own 14 inch caliber, and certainly against the slightly smaller 12 inch superheavy USN shell of the Alaska's. Equally 4 inch deckarmor is not giving much protection against 14 inch shells plunging nearly vertically. Forthly, the USS Alaska was built to cruiserlines and only considered as a capital ship by other navies, while the USN did consider them to be cruisers, not capital ships. The Kongo's always had been considered capital ships from the day they were designed. Given the difference in concept the Kongo's sturdy hullform is like that of a capital ship, and the lightly built cruiserhull of an Alaska is not. |
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Posts: 94 (15-May-2008 00:42:42) |
A Kongo can't absorb the 1140lb AP shells at any range. Those shells are going to get through 9" of side armor at the point where they're getting
through 5" of deck armor - a rebuilt Kongo has 8" on the belt and that 5" deck armor. The Alaska has 9" on the side and a combined
5" on the deck herself, facing off against 1400lb shells. Neither side really wants to get hit in this engagement, at any range.
The American ship's guns reported no problems during the war cruises. The situation was not so desperate for the Americans to force an unready ship into combat. I'm pretty sure that the proper answer to this question is Alaska, but it won't be the sort of dominant victory that you'd expect from a ship built in 1913 against an opponent built in 1944. A rebuilt Kongo is no slouch. |
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Posts: 7000 (15-May-2008 00:45:47) Corn Boss |
Alaska's guns can achieve effective penetration of Kongo's belt from beyond 35,000 yards. The midships portion of Kongo's deck is vulnerable
from as close as maybe 18,000 yards; the ends require more like 29,000 yards. Alaska appears to have a tiny IZ near the 25-28,000yd band.
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Posts: 226 (15-May-2008 01:11:30) |
Given the FCS of both ships Alaska wins hands down (Always discounting the golden BB)
She also would probably load faster (And has one more gun barrell) |
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Posts: 568 (15-May-2008 02:22:22) |
IRCC the Alaska was armoured against 12" shells. Originally only the machinery space was to be armoured against 8" but I believe the location of a
5" magazine ruled this out. As the 12" shells the Alaska was armoured against were probably her own then her armour was better than if designed
against earlier 12".
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Gunnersmate04 |
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Posts: 146 (15-May-2008 15:14:52) |
Better Fire Control and radar.
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Posts: 360 (15-May-2008 18:56:07) Local user |
This is another eggs armed with hammers fight. Alaska has a bit smaller hammer compared to Kongo but neither is really able to handle hits from the other. Kongo's hits will hurt more. Alaska will hit more often. Alaska will probably also hit first - and depending on the weather and sea may hit first enough so Kongo never gets a hit in. Take away Alaska's radar FC though, things get much more interesting. |
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Posts: 1174 (15-May-2008 19:24:38) |
EF DRAAijers Is There any thing about the U S N you like?? of all your posts on USN ships there is not ONE postive post all are on the negative side! one has to wonder
why that is?
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