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Posts: 217 (14-May-2008 08:42:20) |
The price tag is misleading. The ships themselves (including equipment) will not actually cost much more than £1-£1.5 Billion each. The rest of the money is
about rebuilding and reshaping the UK shipbuilding industry. The American CVNs are being built on an already existing production line so they reap the benefits
of economies of scale, and have been doing so with the Nimitzes for forty years now. How much do you think they would cost if they had to build them from
scratch now?
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hulahoop7 |
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Posts: 1103 (14-May-2008 08:47:19) |
Well CVN21 to be deliverd in 2015 is going to cost $8bn including R&D (according to wikipedia). £4bn a pop. That sounds more like it.
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Obi Wan Russell |
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Posts: 218 (14-May-2008 14:51:41) |
CVN 21 (USS Gerald Ford CVN-78) is a new design, with new features such as EMALS. It will cost noticeably more than the previous Nimitz class even with the
established skills base simply because it is the first of a new class and not just an upgraded Nimitz. The price difference is therefore reasonable. Remeber
the US carriers are nuclear powered and CVF will be GT powered, which will account for a significant difference in cost as well. If CVFs' spec was changed
to include Nuclear power, the gap between the prices would narrow significantly.
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Nathan |
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Posts: 2255 (14-May-2008 21:22:03) |
"If CVFs' spec was changed to include Nuclear power, the gap between the prices would narrow significantly."
Well yes. And if CVF's spec was altered to add 4 EMCATS, 2 more lifts and a few thousand tons more steel the price difference would disappear (probably go the other way - given the US experience and infrastructure advantage and weakness of the dollar) but so would the difference in capability. That's the lesson of every RN and USN study of smaller, cheaper carriers since the 1950s - if we are talking propper warships rather than helicopter or escort carriers, the cost savings from cutting size and air-capacity are much smaller proportionally than the loss of capability. Why should that be different now? |
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Anthony58 |
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Posts: 2386 (15-May-2008 00:23:20) |
By Danny Fortson, Business Correspondent
VT Group expects the Ministry of Defence to end years of delays to the building of two Royal Navy aircraft carriers by giving the go-ahead to the £3.8bn programme "within weeks". The company was forced to extend the timeframe to consummate a shipbuilding venture with BAE Systems, announced last year, to July on the expectation of an imminent decision from the MoD. Doubts about the programme have grown in recent months as budget constraints have led the ministry to review several large projects. Cutbacks are expected, though Paul Lester, chief executive of the former Vosper Thorneycroft, was confident that the contract would escape the axe. "I believe we'll be able to get under way in a matter of weeks," he said. "It should be up and running by July." The joint venture, which would combine the two companies' shipbuilding businesses into a separately managed company, is predicated on the carrier order. The programme for two new 65,000-tonne carriers would safeguard 10,000 jobs in the UK and could create a further 1,000 posts, he added. It is already at least two years behind schedule. Mr Lester made his prediction after unveiling better-than-expected annual results that bear out the company's strategy of diversifying away from a heavy reliance on such lumpy and delay-prone defence contracts. VT earned £89.1m in profits last year, up 20 per cent on the same period last year. Its order book swelled by nearly a third, to a record £4.9bn. Less than a fifth of the company's profits came from shipbuilding last year. VT is instead moving increasingly into private finance initiatives, or PFI, through which local and national government outsources an array of services to private companies. Earlier this year, VT was part of the group that won the £13bn contract to supply mid-air tanker aircraft to the Royal Air Force. It also won a £325m contract to build and refurbish schools from Lewisham council in east London under the Government's highly ambitious Building Schools for the Future (BSF) programme. The £45bn scheme to rebuild all of the country's secondary schools has run into delays and been criticised by industry for the glacial and expensive bidding process. Tim Byles, chief executive of Partnerships for Schools, the organisation that oversees the BSF programme, has instituted a reform programme that has reduced the average bidding time from around two and a half years to 18 months. Mr Lester said that more could be done. "A lot of effort has been put it, but it could still be speeded up," he said. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vt-expects-end-to-delays-over-
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PK |
Announcement mid June? | ||
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Posts: 700 (15-May-2008 21:47:45) |
French sources speculate about a joint Anglo-French announcement of CVF and PA.2 in the middle of June. As the new White Book on Defence will be published
shortly, it would give Mr. Sarkozy some weeks to prepare financial arrangements etc.
Bad press due to cuts or delays in other programs would hopefully disappear among Football News.. |
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