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Moskit		#41	[-]
Posts: 984 (14-May-2008 00:05:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Depends on your assumptions regarding the effectiveness of the weapon systems on both sides. Had this happened for real I strongly suspect that at least one side (and probably both) would have found itself severely embarrased at the actual ineffectiveness of its kit.
Nightwatch2		#42	[-]
Posts: 3568 (14-May-2008 00:20:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Moskit wrote: Depends on your assumptions regarding the effectiveness of the weapon systems on both sides. Had this happened for real I strongly suspect that at least one side (and probably both) would have found itself severely embarrased at the actual ineffectiveness of its kit. our assumptions for planning were not real high. I rather doubt that we would have been all that surprised by the eventual weapons performances. Glad we never had to find out...... Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
jemb	A-7s as fighters	#43	[-]
Posts: 683 (14-May-2008 00:27:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Were A-7 pilots trained to pick off less threatening targets such as Bears? I knew A-4s worked as fighters on CVSs, but hadn't thought of A-7s as such before.
Nightwatch2		#44	[-]
Posts: 3569 (14-May-2008 00:38:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	jemb wrote: Were A-7 pilots trained to pick off less threatening targets such as Bears? I knew A-4s worked as fighters on CVSs, but hadn't thought of A-7s as such before. I controlled A-7's against Bears on several occasions. Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
Kwajalein		#45	[-]
Posts: 154 (14-May-2008 16:21:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Nightwatch2 wrote: jemb wrote: Were A-7 pilots trained to pick off less threatening targets such as Bears? I knew A-4s worked as fighters on CVSs, but hadn't thought of A-7s as such before. I controlled A-7's against Bears on several occasions. Ah, the A-7... how I miss seeing her among carrier airwings. In your experience, would it have been relatively easy to down a Bear or Blinder in an A-7? Assuming the Bears and Blinders don't have fighter escorts (which would probably be the case), I've been of the opinion that an A-7 with the right weapon load could turn either bomber into neighborhoods for various kinds of sea anemones.
Nightwatch2		#46	[-]
Posts: 3572 (14-May-2008 18:16:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Kwajalein wrote: Nightwatch2 wrote: jemb wrote: Were A-7 pilots trained to pick off less threatening targets such as Bears? I knew A-4s worked as fighters on CVSs, but hadn't thought of A-7s as such before. I controlled A-7's against Bears on several occasions. Ah, the A-7... how I miss seeing her among carrier airwings. In your experience, would it have been relatively easy to down a Bear or Blinder in an A-7? Assuming the Bears and Blinders don't have fighter escorts (which would probably be the case), I've been of the opinion that an A-7 with the right weapon load could turn either bomber into neighborhoods for various kinds of sea anemones. ah, well........ The A-7 was a bit more challenged in this area than you might imagine. The Bear is actually a pretty fast aircraft so the intercept controller (a key part of the equation since the A-7 has no air to air radar) has to be very careful on his geometry. A lot harder to make that intercept when your interceptor in this case has a very marginal overtake advantage. In fact, if the A-7 has to climb to catch the Bear, its tough. Once intercepted, Mr. Bear would have gone swimming. A Blinder however is a VERY fast aircraft and I doubt that an A-7 could have caught one if the Blinder didn't want to be caught. Remember that the A-7 only has Sidewinders and guns. No radar missile and no high speed dash to make the intercept. soooooo if I have the A-7 positioned ahead of an ingressing bomber, he's toast. Any other geometry becomes problematic real fast. Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.
emc		#47	[-]
Posts: 3752 (14-May-2008 19:08:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Nightwatch2 wrote: Kwajalein wrote: Nightwatch2 wrote: jemb wrote: Were A-7 pilots trained to pick off less threatening targets such as Bears? I knew A-4s worked as fighters on CVSs, but hadn't thought of A-7s as such before. I controlled A-7's against Bears on several occasions. Ah, the A-7... how I miss seeing her among carrier airwings. In your experience, would it have been relatively easy to down a Bear or Blinder in an A-7? Assuming the Bears and Blinders don't have fighter escorts (which would probably be the case), I've been of the opinion that an A-7 with the right weapon load could turn either bomber into neighborhoods for various kinds of sea anemones. ah, well........ The A-7 was a bit more challenged in this area than you might imagine. The Bear is actually a pretty fast aircraft so the intercept controller (a key part of the equation since the A-7 has no air to air radar) has to be very careful on his geometry. A lot harder to make that intercept when your interceptor in this case has a very marginal overtake advantage. In fact, if the A-7 has to climb to catch the Bear, its tough. Once intercepted, Mr. Bear would have gone swimming. A Blinder however is a VERY fast aircraft and I doubt that an A-7 could have caught one if the Blinder didn't want to be caught. Remember that the A-7 only has Sidewinders and guns. No radar missile and no high speed dash to make the intercept. soooooo if I have the A-7 positioned ahead of an ingressing bomber, he's toast. Any other geometry becomes problematic real fast. iirc, the A-4 had (roughly) the same level of performance as the A-7, so would I be making a leap of stupidity to assume that the A-4 would have the same problems as the A-7 in this scenario?
seasick		#48	[-]
Posts: 4656 (14-May-2008 21:28:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The whole thing changed with the arrival of the Bug? The F/A-18A with the APG-69 and AIM-7M could do some Bear hunting, and make things difficult for Badgers, Blinders, and Backfires.
Nightwatch2		#49	[-]
Posts: 3576 (15-May-2008 00:35:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"iirc, the A-4 had (roughly) the same level of performance as the A-7, so would I be making a leap of stupidity to assume that the A-4 would have the same problems as the A-7 in this scenario? " absolutely. "The whole thing changed with the arrival of the Bug? The F/A-18A with the APG-69 and AIM-7M could do some Bear hunting, and make things difficult for Badgers, Blinders, and Backfires. " absolutely and again some! The Bug is designed for that swing role. The other aircraft were not. Republican; because not everyone can be on welfare.

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