Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

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stanger69		#71	[-]
Posts: 19 ( 4-May-2008 01:20:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	stanger69 wrote: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor? Another F-22 Raptor. I still agree with what this guy said.
pukalshik		#72	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 20 ( 5-May-2008 09:43:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	OT, but Mig 1.42 test machine had much bigger thrust to wait ratio then Raptor. It would have been a better plane if produced. Probably not a better fighter in terms of stealth.
Getz		#73	[-]
Posts: 386 ( 6-May-2008 18:38:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	BEN1 wrote: BenRoethig wrote: Getz wrote: The thing is, for 100 F-22's you can get nearly 200 Eurofighters - and they are hardly cheap aircraft... Not quite. The current fly away cost for the Typhoon is $122 million. The Raptor is $137 million. Both are in full production with a similar amount of airframes built. afaik the F-22 cost is the flyaway cost the Typhoon cost is unit cost including development etc I appreciate that the topic has moved on a bit, but I've been doing a bit of reseach and apparently the "Flyaway" cost of the Typhoon is about $100 million
Desertfox.historypolitics...		#74	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 62 ( 8-May-2008 04:11:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The premise of the TLAMs was to knock out the Irani F-14 force, can they do it? Do they have the range (Iran is much bigger than Iraq)? Do they have the accuracy to hit harden shelters? Do they have the warheads to take out the shelters? Will there be enough of them to take out every single shelter? What if the F-14s are airborne, can they take out the airfields? What's going to launch them? Is the US going to risk Ticos and SSNs in the Persian Gulf? Remember, the Iraqi AF was taken out by F-117s with LGBs, not TLAMs.
Gunnersmate04	.... the Iraqi AF was taken out by F-117s with LGBs, WRONG!	#75	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 137 ( 9-May-2008 17:31:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I took them all out; they dropped me behind enemy lines and I took them all out with my Swiss Army knife and some PD-680 in the fuel tanks.... I was back in time for "Dinner for the Crew". I AM A WEAPONS SYSYTEM, AND THEY'RE WAS A SEVERE COST OVER-RUN!!! GUNNER
emc		#76	[-]
Posts: 3737 ( 9-May-2008 17:55:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Desertfox wrote: The premise of the TLAMs was to knock out the Irani F-14 force, can they do it? Do they have the range (Iran is much bigger than Iraq)? Do they have the accuracy to hit harden shelters? Do they have the warheads to take out the shelters? Will there be enough of them to take out every single shelter? What if the F-14s are airborne, can they take out the airfields? What's going to launch them? Is the US going to risk Ticos and SSNs in the Persian Gulf? Remember, the Iraqi AF was taken out by F-117s with LGBs, not TLAMs. In the Gulf War (under the current US President's father), the F-117's most assuredly did not function without considerable support, including strikes by AH-64 Apaches against Iraqi air defense radars near the frontiers. Indeed, with the general level of EW support accorded the F-117's, they probably could have gone in with their navigation lights on, accompanied by a brass band.
FreeloaderUK		#77	[-]
Posts: 129 (10-May-2008 21:35:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	the latest Mig29 might stand a chance, afterall she's recently made toast of a Georgian UAV & those have low radar cross sections
Michael Hoddy		#78	[-]
Posts: 187 (12-May-2008 17:00:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Desertfox wrote: The premise of the TLAMs was to knock out the Irani F-14 force, can they do it? Do they have the range (Iran is much bigger than Iraq)? Do they have the accuracy to hit harden shelters? Do they have the warheads to take out the shelters? Will there be enough of them to take out every single shelter? What if the F-14s are airborne, can they take out the airfields? What's going to launch them? Is the US going to risk Ticos and SSNs in the Persian Gulf? Remember, the Iraqi AF was taken out by F-117s with LGBs, not TLAMs. I think the Iraqi AF and their airfields were actually dealt with mostly by F-15E's, F-111's, and Tornados, at least in terms of a percentage of sorties. Probably some F-16's and A-6's as well.
Desertfox.historypolitics...		#79	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 65 (13-May-2008 02:12:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah but my point was that the shelters themselves were taken out by 2,000lb LGBs dropped from F-117s, not by TLAMs. I know the F-117s had support, and the airfields where blasted by just about everyone, but to take out harden shelters you need pin point accuracy and a good warhead. Can the TLAM do it?
taschoene		#80	[-]
Posts: 4230 (13-May-2008 02:59:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Can a Tomahawk hit a hardened aircraft shelter? Absolutely! The typical description of TLAM accuracy is that it can not only hit a specified building, but that it can pick which window to fly though. Can it penetrate? Well, the usual blast-frag warhead might not penetrate the top of an HAS, but the missile can probably impact directly on the door, which is likely to be unpleasant for whatever is inside. I don't recall whether the Tactical Tomahawk Penetrator variant has reached service (the Web seems to say yes, but I thought I remembered it being cancelled a year or two back). If it has, I'm sure it can penetrate an HAS from above if necessary.

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