Thanks to Shane and Fred for the Australian Army OOB, and Yorden for the New Zealand Army OOB. Any mistakes with it are all mine.
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Thanks to Shane and Fred for the Australian Army OOB, and Yorden for the New Zealand Army OOB. Any mistakes with it are all mine.
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Posts: 10 12-May-2008 01:23:55 |
A more serious proposal: Why not during the hoo-haa with Nimrod MRA.4 instead of refurbing fuselages and the rest of that palava just actually make new A/C (I don't know if that would turn out cheaper in the long run but I've got a horrible feeling it might) This not only makes export perhaps more likely but also gives you the ability to change the design a bit more. How about a Nimrod bomber, in all seriousness. Not sure how it would handle a strike into the Soviet Union (badly, I can imagine) but I'm sure it might be effective under heavy escort as a bomb truck of some sort. Just, as Ron Burgundy would say... "putting it out there"
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Posts: 1188 12-May-2008 02:43:27 |
Accordng to one write-up
" Thermobaric weapons can be dangerous to armor vehicles if they penetrate engine compartments and vents.[ii] If they strike the hull or a building exterior, they're relatively ineffective. These weapons are most devastating when fired into building where blast waves destroy un-reinforced buildings, killing and severely injuring personnel inside. Rather than providing protection as they would from conventional explosive ammunition, building interior walls, particularly cement or other hard surfaces, magnify and channel the shockwaves created by a thermobaric detonation. The stronger the walls, the higher the pressure's reflective effect." The US and British forces have setup programs to figure out the optimum location to attack a building to get the most coverage from a Therobaric round. The Hellfire Missile is also becoming the weapon of choice. Against a bunker, if penetrated and open access is available to a thermobaric based weapon and it detonated inside, would be very deadly. As stated in many reports, this weapon can go around corners and sucks the oxygen out of the facility. Some taliban have been found several 100 meters in caves from the extent of a Thermobaric round dead as there lungs were starved from lack of oxygen. There is evidence to suggest that an M1 Abrams was taken out by a Thermobaric equipped Kornet-E with a dual warhead which contained a thermobaric charge. The tank was not locked down and the overpressure entered the hatch and vents. Another tactic is to use RPG-O thermobaric weapons on an RPG to fire at a tank and destroy its optics and external communications capability. Blinded it then is rained down on by RPG-7's. Only the latest Russian tanks are equiped to completely shut off itself from an effect of a Thermobaric round. All Nato tanks NBC cababilities allow it to survive an attack if they are buttoned up. As for your other question, the UK bought man portable Thermobaric missiles in 2007 based on the LAW called the SMAW or SMAW-NE (Shoulder-Mounted Antitank Weapon, New Explosive). They also actively deployed other weapons now including the Cruise variant which caused issues when disclosed as the use of the weapon is still debated. Does it violate the Geneva Convention? it is, based on the wording of the convention, a Chemical Weapon. The British like calling it an " enhanced Blast " weapon. Americans like calling it an NE weapon or New Explosive. Hope that helps. |
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Posts: 3515 12-May-2008 09:44:02 |
How about a Nimrod bomber, in all seriousness. Not sure how it would handle a strike into the Soviet Union (badly, I can imagine) but I'm sure
it might be effective under heavy escort as a bomb truck of some sort.
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Posts: 13 12-May-2008 11:41:42 |
I think I knew that but I'm not sure. The thing is what a bombtruck now is going to be doing is vastly different from what a V-bomber was doing, or was meant to do when the Comet-esque version was proposed. What about underwing hard points for anti radar missiles; so you have one big wild weasel; or hardpoints for cruise missiles etc etc. Couldn't make the Nimrod that much uglier, really
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Posts: 1701 12-May-2008 17:55:53 |
RJimFox wrote:Gr.1, surely? And would an RAF F-117 have the Nighthawk name, when the Hawk also is in RAF service? Perhaps they'd have instead preferred to revive some suitable historical name for it - say Mosquito Gr.1 or Beaufighter Gr.1?
The fact that you needed to know was not known at the time that the now known need to know was known, therefore those that needed to advise and inform the Home Secretary perhaps felt the information he needed as to whether to inform the highest authority of the known information was not yet known and therefore there was no authority for the authority to be informed because the need to know was not, at that time, known or needed.
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Posts: 15 12-May-2008 18:42:06 |
Yes, my mistake. GR.1. The name, mhmmm. Yes. Now I come to think about it. Beaufighter is a nice one. Mosquito is out IMHO, just like Spitfire and Hood are. Interesting. I like Brigand.
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Posts: 879 12-May-2008 18:55:22 |
RJimFox wrote: Why is Mosquito out? I can understand the other ones, but wasn't the Wooden Terror originally meant as a light Bomber?
Always remember the great alt-hist motto: "Anything goes!" - The TLW NATO Fanclub
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Posts: 6348 12-May-2008 22:00:49 |
A lot of food for though here, and an illustration of how one's options can become limited once strategic bombers are removed from an air force's
inventory. In the TLWverse the RAF own precisely one long-range bomber aircraft, and it is certainly in no condition to go flying sorties against the USSR.
Against a bunker, if penetrated and open access is available to a thermobaric based weapon and it detonated inside, would be very deadly.
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Posts: 3516 12-May-2008 23:52:58 |
In the TLWverse the RAF own precisely one long-range bomber aircraft, and it is certainly in no condition to go flying sorties
against the USSR.
There is always the BoB Flight Lancaster...........
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Posts: 187 13-May-2008 00:27:49 |
speaking of the BoB lancaster, it flew over my house at the weekend. Beautiful sound, beautiful sight. See it a couple of times a year at summertime, but this
time it was definitely lower than normal (and alot louder)
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