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windsordaw	Is CVF save if the tories win next election	Lead	[-]
Posts: 52 ( 3-May-2008 16:07:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi All i had always thought that the tories were a safer bet for the armed forces, but i remember an interview itv done with the tories defence minister when he was asked wether his party would invest more in defence he did not answer the question but said thet they might reduce comitments. Do you belive the tories would be better for defence or the same as the present bunch of well i feel the word traitors sums up the present government treatment of the armed forces.
shaun		#1	[-]
Posts: 168 ( 3-May-2008 16:14:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	They're all the same, mate. Politicians are only interested in whatever the electorate deem to be fashionable. As long as Joe Public is indifferent, don't expect any big increases in the defence budget. The best we can hope for is that funding reductions will be suspended due to prevailing situation in Iraq and Afghanistan. That said, at least some in the shadow cabinet have military experience unlike the present government who, with the exception IIRC of Ed Balls was in the CCF??? On CVF, if come 2010 the Tories are in power, I would hope that the ships would be uncancellable.
Rob		#2	[-]
Posts: 610 ( 3-May-2008 19:00:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes.
JNiemczyk		#3	[-]
Posts: 6296 ( 3-May-2008 21:21:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think even the Tories would not be so petty as to cancel vessels that would be built in Labour and Lib Dem constituencies.
Kendo no sensei		#4	[-]
Posts: 607 ( 3-May-2008 21:29:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Conservatives know the need for these ships and the lack of time to replace the existing carrier fleet. They would not want to be blamed for the UK losing its blue-water capability, especially as that would disgrace memory of Maggie's victory in 1982. Also it's highly unlikely that steel would not have been cut by May 2010. If the project were delayed that much it would be already finished for all practical purposes. Cameron and co would not stop a high-profile project like that when it had already got started.
JNiemczyk		#5	[-]
Posts: 6299 ( 3-May-2008 22:44:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Agreed, Dave would not want his very own TSR.2. Hi All i had always thought that the tories were a safer bet for the armed forces, Remember Options for Change and Front Line First? IMVHO our current overstretch dates back to some of the decisions made back then.
windsordaw		#6	[-]
Posts: 53 ( 3-May-2008 22:51:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I dont think that this government can be voted out quick enough, i wonder what the navy will be down to come 2010, there was a reason for the SDR98 and it has be totally ignored the army losing more people than it can recruit and the airforce losing fleets of aircraft, oh well at least for now we only have Iraq and Afghanistan to deal with.
JNiemczyk		#7	[-]
Posts: 6300 ( 3-May-2008 22:57:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well it wasn't the Tories that gutted the RAC and got rid of infantry battalions, both regular and TA, and RAF squadrons that might have come in handy now. The Tories also decided that the V bombers should be refited at Devonport rather than Rosyth, a debatable decision. My point is that neither of the main parties have a good recent history on defence. Dave is hardly likely to change much if he does get elected.
windsordaw		#8	[-]
Posts: 54 ( 3-May-2008 23:40:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	True but when the Falklands was invaded the then government did not act on John Knots advice and slash the fleet, we have this government that makes cuts while we are fighting a war on two fronts, i agree all parties have thier all faults but this government has been the worst for the armed forces since labour killed the last fleet carries in the seventies
JNiemczyk		#9	[-]
Posts: 6303 ( 4-May-2008 00:17:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	True but when the Falklands was invaded the then government did not act on John Knots advice and slash the fleet, we have this government that makes cuts while we are fighting a war on two fronts Now I may be wrong in this (maybe someone can correct me) post-Falklands the navy was told that the government still needed to make the cost saving recommended by Knot. They were given a choice between a cut in manpower and a cut in ships, the navy chose the cut in manpower. I do seem to remember that the Thatcher government did indulge in defence cuts during the '80s when the Cold War is in its height. Now that is not to defend the Blair and Brown administrations for their actions when we are actually fighting two wars. Certainly the worst thing that Labour has done since 1997 was not to keep to the '98 SDR.
Anthony58		#10	[-]
Posts: 2380 ( 4-May-2008 00:40:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	CVF would be safe, The government's poor financing methods would be reversed.

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