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Posts: 855 2-May-2008 19:28:13 |
JNiemczyk wrote: Well, that's what kept you going in World War 2. The Soviets do have a knack for doing things that piss me off it seems. That attack,I've recently read something similar when the RAF surged all of its bombers in the Desert Air Force to allow three Bombers to slip through that subsequently dropped a Nuke on the DAK Armoured Coloumn, killing the Desert Fox in the process. ( delayed WW2 and all. )
Always remember the great alt-hist motto: "Anything goes!" - The TLW NATO Fanclub
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Posts: 1169 2-May-2008 19:39:26 |
BTW Jan , are we going to see some LRLAP systems in TLW? With one gun being the equivalent of an entire battery of guns and the longer range shells?
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Posts: 6286 2-May-2008 19:59:27 |
The Soviets do have a knack for doing things that piss me off it seems. That attack,I've recently read something similar when the RAF surged all
of its bombers in the Desert Air Force to allow three Bombers to slip through that subsequently dropped a Nuke on the DAK Armoured Coloumn, killing the Desert
Fox in the process. ( delayed WW2 and all. )
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Posts: 856 2-May-2008 20:33:46 |
JNiemczyk wrote:
The AH is vastly different. Basic principle is that the Soviets take Poland in the mid 30s and go to war with the Axis over Romania about a year or so later. The Axis drive deep into Russia and almost take Leningrad. By 1942 the Caucasus is in Axis hands and the Soviets sue for peace. The Germans then turn west and DoW the Allies in 1945. They overrun France ( allthough not as fast as in RL ) and fight mainly in the Middle East against the British. The Japs attack Pearl in 1945 i think, and are much more successfull, sinking several CVs in the process, and the Americans concentrate on Japan as Hitler doesn't declear war on the US. The British are on their last legs in Africa, as they loose Gibraltar early in the war and only then the Americans enter the war in Europe in 1949. Everything as a dystopian feeling to it, with ABC weapons in use on all sides ( except nukes, so far only the Allies have them ) and a very gruesome WW2 that is waged with what is essentially RL 1950s technology.
Always remember the great alt-hist motto: "Anything goes!" - The TLW NATO Fanclub
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Posts: 74 2-May-2008 21:02:36 |
JNiemczyk wrote: no land based version, though there is the Excalibur guided round with a 40-50km range and the extremely interesting Vulcano from Otomelara(still in development in OTL, might get speeded up in TLW?) a saboted finned munition to be fired from naval 127mm and land 155mm guns, unguided range up to 70km, anti ship version with some seeker 70km, GPS/INS land attack 100km... |
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Posts: 1170 2-May-2008 21:04:07 |
The closest is the Crusader in the US ( would it be cancelled? would the NLOS system take its place again?), The AS-90 and the PzH 2000. The PzH 2000 and AS-90
have undergone trials to go the other way and use common rounds for both the army and Navy ( both common rounds and rocket assisted ), though I think the
german's opted for a smaller calibre gun for their Frigate.
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Posts: 6287 2-May-2008 21:15:15 |
Peter,
That looks like an interesting AH. I seem to remember coming across it a while ago in a slightly different form. I guess if the writer knows his stuff then the longer WW2 goes on then the worse it is going to be for Germany in the end. B-36s anyone? marshalx, The general rule of thumb with TLW is that most, though by all means not all, defence projects have been speeded up to a degree. There is, however, a funding crunch in the mid-90s that delays some projects and causes others to be cancelled. Roller, I think that the Crusader would probably have gone ahead and it may be in service to a limited degree. The Germans did test a PzH 2000 turret on one of their frigates, but it was not a success. However it does now look like future RN warships will be armed with a 155mm/39 gun in the existing Mark 8 mount (basically the same ordnance as the AS90).
Last Edited By: JNiemczyk 2-May-2008 21:24:28.
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Posts: 1171 2-May-2008 21:28:18 |
Well if the crusader is operational, 2 per C-5 can be carried and with its cooled gun and systems, it can do some serious hurt to a Russian Artillery or
battery unit in Europe ( think it would suffer as did the PzH 2000 is in the desert ). Considering that unless you count their rocket artillery, the Russians
have nothing in either the Crusader, AS-90 or PZH 2000's class.
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Posts: 6289 2-May-2008 21:58:58 |
I think that the only advantage that the Soviets have are sheer numbers of gun tubes. However by clever use of their artillery and counter-battery technology NATO can probably at least gain parity in the artillery battle. US Army artillery battalions in Europe are all still equipped with the M109A6 Paladin, though a few units in CONUS will probably have the Crusader. Like the M1/Air-Ground Defence System (or M105 as it is standardised as), a few examples of the M2001 Crusader will be flown to Europe for combat testing before the battalions so equipped arrive in strength. |
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Posts: 857 2-May-2008 22:03:16 |
JNiemczyk wrote: Already in sercive with both the USAAF and teh RAF, as the B-39 IIRC.The thing is though that the German Air defences are simply too strong to over come as of yet.
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