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Posts: 2126 (11-Apr-2008 12:26:47) |
The Soviets would want it, the US would sink it.
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Posts: 2293 (20-Apr-2008 23:17:21) |
SMS12 wrote:
I think you are partially correct Ed. The Prinz sailed to the US with a mixed USN and KM crew. I think she was towed to Bikini though. In 1945-1947, did anyone have an ocean going tug big enough to tow a 70,000 ton BB? |
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Posts: 3694 (21-Apr-2008 03:29:24) |
Ed wrote: Couldn't they use multiple tugs?
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Posts: 482 (22-Apr-2008 16:12:35) |
The reality is that it would have probably been a combination of things.
Had Yamato survived the war (let's say for the sake of argument that Japan didn't have the fuel to send her on her one-way suicide misson), she would have been relatively intact. I suspect that Yamato, stuck in port, would have absorbed a number of bombs from U.S. aircraft in the final months of the war, but it was shown that she could absorb that punishment and not be even nearly in danger of sinking. So, the end of the war comes and Yamato becomes the main target ship at Bikini. Given what we have witnessed historically, she would have likely survived both tests. My guess then is that after Yamato was thoroughly examined (and much useful data pertaining to surviving two atomic blasts is collected), she would be towed to deep water and be used as target practice (in part as to be denied to the Soviets as previously mentioned), first by Navy attack planes (bombs and rockets), then by surface craft, starting with DDs and working up all the way to the Iowa's. If Yamato was still afloat after all this abuse (and she might be, as much of her bouyancy would still be retained, much like Bismark after her pummeling), she would be finished off with torpedoes. That is my guess as to what would happen. Just saying.
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Posts: 2295 (22-Apr-2008 17:34:31) |
So she could be used for a target ship for Iowa and Massachusetts? Just using Mk. 8 2700lb superheavy AP shells? It would have been interesting to see how they
could actually perform, at different ranges, using 16"/50 and 16"/45 guns.
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Posts: 677 (26-Apr-2008 18:23:44) |
Given that Saratoga (which Wikipedia says topped out at 53,000 tons in 1945) wasn't sunk, it would be interesting to see how well Yamato survived.
There's an artist's impression for someone to make!
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Posts: 8453 (27-Apr-2008 23:03:11) Wheat Boss |
Err...Saratoga was sunk in the Bikini tests.
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Posts: 483 ( 4-Jun-2008 22:20:26) |
Correct. Saratoga survived the first detonation (Test "Able", the air-dropped ordinance) relatively intact. Test "Baker",
however, being an underwater detonation, created a shockwave that pushed a huge volume of water out and slammed into the anchored ships in the
lagoon...Saratoga's huge stack was knocked over, and her side stove in so badly from that battering that she was mortally damaged and sunk some
time later, and several other large ships (BB Arkansas, the IJN BB Nagato, the KM Prinz Eugen) were sent to the bottom as well.
The shockwave was tremendous. The Baker test was very well-documented on film, so check it out. There is a famous still photo of the mushroom cloud taken at sea-level, and on the right side of the "stump" of the cloud you can clearly see a large ship (later identified as BB Arkansas) actually lifted up out of the water on it's side! Cheers, Bill |
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Posts: 104 ( 5-Jun-2008 21:28:43) |
In reference to Prinz Eugen, I seem to remember that the US crew almost mutineed on her voyage to the states over the conditions on board.
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Posts: 502 ( 5-Jun-2008 21:47:46) |
QUOTE " Correct. Saratoga survived the first detonation (Test "Able", the air-dropped ordinance) relatively intact. Test
"Baker", however, being an underwater detonation, created a shockwave that pushed a huge volume of water out and slammed into the anchored ships in
the lagoon...Saratoga's huge stack was knocked over, and her side stove in so badly from that battering that she was mortally damaged and sunk
some time later, and several other large ships (BB Arkansas, the IJN BB Nagato, the KM Prinz Eugen) were sent to the bottom as well.
The shockwave was tremendous. The Baker test was very well-documented on film, so check it out. There is a famous still photo of the mushroom cloud taken at sea-level, and on the right side of the "stump" of the cloud you can clearly see a large ship (later identified as BB Arkansas) actually lifted up out of the water on it's side!" Actually Prinz Eugen survived the Baker test and sank due to very slow leakage at Kwajealin. |
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