1943-44 Richeliu VS Tirpitz

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Joshua Kintner	1943-44 Richeliu VS Tirpitz	Lead	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 351 (29-Feb-2008 22:30:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	After joining the Free French forces and being rebuilt in the United States, the Battleship Richelieu comes out and is immediatly assigned to help safeguard the Murmansk convoys against the threat of German captial warships attacking it from Norway. On one afternoon she is confronted and attacked by a German taskforce, at it's head being The Battleship Tirpitz. Breakdown of forces: German Taskforce: BB Tirpitz CA Hipper 6xDD Free French Taskforce: BB Richeleiu CL Montcalm CL Georges Leguyes 4xDD Assuming optimal weather for a Murmansk convoy afternoon, who would have the advantage in such an engagement?
Fermi2	Hey	#1	[-]
Posts: 3220 ( 1-Mar-2008 00:12:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What do you define as Optimal Weather? Is it the best weather conditions or the condition one might find at that time of year? Also, what specific time frame is it? I'm thinking of gaming this on Fighting Steel. Is the Free French Task Force Supporting the Convoy like the DOY was when she sunk the Convoy, or is it directly escorting the convoy? Mike
Joshua Kintner		#2	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 352 ( 1-Mar-2008 03:50:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Is it the best weather conditions or the condition one might find at that time of year? The best weather conditions that one might find at that time of year in that time of day at that time of year. Also, what specific time frame is it? Richelieu finished her dockyard work in the U.S. in October of 1943, and Tirpitz was rendered unfit for further operations by an air raid on 9/1944, but she was also damaged by Britishs submarines and aircraft in 9/1943, so assuming optimal repair time, probably 2-3/1944 would be the time for a(n) convoy raid to occur. Is the Free French Task Force Supporting the Convoy like the DOY was when she sunk the Convoy, or is it directly escorting the convoy? Convoy support Task force. I figure a couple of British CLs and a few DD/DEs would be directly escorting the convoy.
E F Draaijers		#3	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 139 ( 1-Mar-2008 15:31:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This scenario is problematic for the germans, since Tirpitz already was out of action, due to the midgetsubmarine attack in 1943 and never became fully operational again (engines never completely repaired and hull patched up with concrete, rather than normal steel.) Tirpitz could not have sailed into open sea after this, although remain a threath as a coastal battleship, she eventually became. Admiral Hipper was also troubled more than once by her engines and lacked stayingpower after damaged in the Batentzsea battle with a 6 inch hit in her engines, that never became in working order again after this fight. Hipper only remained as a trainingcruiser after this battle, so can be excluded as well. The German destroyers were large and heavily armed, but a bit too unseaworthy for arctic operations. (Too much weight at the bow in those with a twin 5.9 inch turret). So with only destroyers to count with the Free French had the upperhand in such a fight and could even leave the short ranged Richelieu in Scapa Flow to save fuel. The two light cruisers were the powertool for them and the destroyers were not, since they also lacked range. Light cruisers with fast rate of fire for their 6.1 inch guns with state of the art firecontroll, will be problematic for the German destroyers.
Repulse36		#4	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 3 ( 1-Mar-2008 16:53:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fermi2 wrote: ... like the DOY was when she sunk the Convoy... Shouldn't this read "...sank the Scharnhorst..."?
Fermi2	Whoa	#5	[-]
Posts: 3221 ( 1-Mar-2008 17:10:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Repulse36 wrote: Fermi2 wrote: ... like the DOY was when she sunk the Convoy... Shouldn't this read "...sank the Scharnhorst..."? Dang you're right! My apologies for the mistake.
Fermi2	Pipe Down	#6	[-]
Posts: 3222 ( 1-Mar-2008 17:11:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	E F Draaijers wrote: This scenario is problematic for the germans, since Tirpitz already was out of action, due to the midgetsubmarine attack in 1943 and never became fully operational again (engines never completely repaired and hull patched up with concrete, rather than normal steel.) Tirpitz could not have sailed into open sea after this, although remain a threath as a coastal battleship, she eventually became. Admiral Hipper was also troubled more than once by her engines and lacked stayingpower after damaged in the Batentzsea battle with a 6 inch hit in her engines, that never became in working order again after this fight. Hipper only remained as a trainingcruiser after this battle, so can be excluded as well. The German destroyers were large and heavily armed, but a bit too unseaworthy for arctic operations. (Too much weight at the bow in those with a twin 5.9 inch turret). So with only destroyers to count with the Free French had the upperhand in such a fight and could even leave the short ranged Richelieu in Scapa Flow to save fuel. The two light cruisers were the powertool for them and the destroyers were not, since they also lacked range. Light cruisers with fast rate of fire for their 6.1 inch guns with state of the art firecontroll, will be problematic for the German destroyers. Pipe down troll, no one cares what you think. Again on what boat were you a submariner and what qualified you to speak anything about USN Nuke boats? Or shall I assume you're a liar? Mike
Turyavestel		#7	[-]
Posts: 16 ( 6-Mar-2008 14:53:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Please can we stay on topic?
No1catman		#8	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 30 ( 5-Apr-2008 12:47:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I was attracted to the title of the thead, and while it is helpful to have a plausible situation for the scenairo to be played out in - lets not get too pedasntic about it! What would the likely result be of such an encounter? Presumably the Allies - Free French would have an advantage due to radar and perhaps advance warning due to interception of German Naval messages e.g. 'Ultra'. But time of day matters i.e. where the sun is. So how would such an encounter pan, out, and in slightly different circumstances - would there be an alternative result?
Fermi2	I'm Thinking	#9	[-]
Posts: 3252 ( 5-Apr-2008 16:19:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Of setting this one up in Fighting Steel.
Desert Sailor		#10	[-]
Posts: 1125 ( 5-Apr-2008 17:05:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fermi- I'm pretty sure this is already on Fighting Steel- look in the editor scenarios. I can't recall the name of it, but it sure sounds familiar.. charley aka Desert Sailor

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