Your goal is to design a nuclear-powered guided missile littoral combat ship. The USS Chuck Norris will be the lightweight counterpart to the USS Fanboy, and you've got 30,000 tons to play with. Cram whatever you like into it.
USS Chuck Norris LCSGN-1 - design it
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 Bunzov Steele |
USS Chuck Norris LCSGN-1 - design it |
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Posts: 40 (20-Mar-2008 01:00:37) |
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Lutscher |
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Posts: 132 (20-Mar-2008 04:05:55) |
A ship named Chuck Norris could only bear this name when christined by himself, so nobody would dare to attack it. Before enemy skippers would dare to
attack it they would rather sink themselves than risking Chuck Norris` anger... |
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Carthaginian |
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Posts: 34 (20-Mar-2008 04:41:09) |
A ship named after Chuck Noris would need no weapons...
It would rip the weapons from it's enemy's decks and beat them into submission with them. |
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PMN1 |
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Posts: 3383 (20-Mar-2008 14:10:50) |
What if it came up against the Jack Bauer?
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Lutscher |
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Posts: 133 (20-Mar-2008 14:14:01) |
The Jack Bauer would sink of sheer awesomeness.
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Dave Bender |
30,000 ton LCS | ||
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Posts: 6328 (20-Mar-2008 15:08:00) |
Isn't that a bit large for a LCS? I think 5,000 tons would be more appropriate.
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Simon Darkshade |
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Posts: 49 (20-Mar-2008 16:57:20) |
USS Mr.T would be a vessel incapable of pity.
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crazy yank |
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Carthaginian |
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Posts: 35 (20-Mar-2008 19:39:59) |
Yeah... Dave, you left the U.S.S. Mr. T off the list.
5,000t is still too big. For a ship like this, we'd only need about 1500-2000 tons max. I'm new to thinking about a modern ship, so let's try this... be gentle: 2 x 5"/L62 Mark 45 Mod 4 2 x 40mm CIWS Block 1B 1 x 40 cell VLS launcher containing: 8 AGM-84H/K Harpoon SLAM (modified to accept a W-87 warhead) 20 SM-2 ER RIM-67B SAM's 12 AGM-84M Harpoon Block III 2 x 3 Mark 54 ASW torpedoes |
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Dave Bender |
1500-2000 tons max | ||
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Posts: 6332 (21-Mar-2008 15:22:51) |
You are probably right. However if the ship is that small then it will not have all the heavy weapons that you included.
2 x 5"/L62 Mark 45 Mod 4 1 x 76mm/62 is more likely. The 5"/62 and ammunition are just too heavy. 2 x 40mm CIWS Block 1B The U.S. Navy is going to the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile for the CIWS mission. I think 2 launchers would be appropriate. That will give you 42 RAM missiles for dealing with the Iranian Silkworm threat. 1 x 40 cell VLS launcher containing: No way. Heavy weapons like this belong on Aegis cruisers. 8 AGM-84H/K Harpoon SLAM (modified to accept a W-87 warhead) The relatively lightweight Harpoon is appropriate. You need them for shooting at Iranian frigates. 20 SM-2 ER RIM-67B SAM's Too big. You will get a couple of SeaSparrow launchers for short range AA. Leave the long range AA mission to Aegis cruisers. 2 x 3 Mark 54 ASW torpedoes You need these along with decent sonar and a LAMPS helicopter for the ASW mission. Additions. 4 x Bushmaster 25mm/87 machine guns for shooting up Iranian fast attack boats. This will be a primary mission for the LCS. 2 x Remote Minehunting Systems. Mine clearance is also a primary mission for LCS. Better to lose an inexpensive LCS to a mine then a Burke class DDG. |
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Carthaginian |
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Posts: 36 (21-Mar-2008 16:48:43) |
Dave,
The 5"/L62 was in hopes of giving some fire support to amphibious forces. I'll trust 'older and wiser heads' when you say it's too heavy- would a pair of 3"/L62 be too much? The CIWS was picked over the RAM due to a simple lack of info. 
I had no information about the RAM... thus, I picked what I was familiar with. As for the VLS cells- would they be heavier than box magazines? I included some 'modified' ones for the 'nuclear' role... pure fantasy, of course. On a realistic project, how many would a ship like this carry? 8? 12? The SeaSparrow I can see as a primary AA weapon. I can also appreciate the Bushmasters, they are great close-in weapons. Don't know a lot about minehunting, but anything is cheaper than loosing a Burke. |
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Dave Bender |
Fire support to amphibious forces | ||
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Posts: 6335 (21-Mar-2008 18:15:21) |
A moot issue as the last opposed amphibious landing was at Inchon in 1950. If the Marines want fire support for amphibious landings then they need to show that
amphibious landings have a place in modern warfare.
Long range fire support for troops ashore is provided by 5"/62 and 155mm/62 guns on the Aegis cruisers. These powerful weapons have a range of over 60 miles. So they do not need to be mounted on a ship operating 1 mile off the beach. You can park an Aegis cruiser over the horizon where it is relatively safe and lob GPS guided shells to within 10 meters of the target. For high value targets you can also use Tomahawk cruise missiles from the VLS launcher. I imagine you can purchase about a million mines for the price of 1 Burke class DDG. If I were Iran I would make the Persian Gulf a single huge mine field coved by anti shipping missiles. That should slow up an American naval attack. |
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Posts: 11 (22-Mar-2008 07:16:26) |
Ahoy, there:
THat design doesn't have enough guns, and the guns it has ar far too slow to grace the decks of a vessel named after the Almighty Chuck. Mike garrity |
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Posts: 366 (22-Mar-2008 10:20:40) |
2,500 tons. A single eight cell VLS launch system, capable of taking either tomahawk cruise missiles, SM-2s, or ESSM Quad packs. Two RAM launch systems. Add
in an OTO Melara 3" gun, and a couple of bushmaster cannons.
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Posts: 27 (23-Mar-2008 07:28:35) |
3000 ton version
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Bunzov Steele |
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Posts: 42 (23-Mar-2008 13:44:15) |
HA HA. That's great! Add a "0" to the tonnage for even more mayhem. The only thing that might be missing is "CHUCK"
written in huge letters on the superstructure - like how Enterprise sometimes has "Big E" on its island. Oh, and it needs flamethrowers to
repel boarders like the Barbary Pirates or bologna stealth ninjas. Bastards.
Last Edited By: Bunzov Steele
23-Mar-2008 23:23:04.
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Carthaginian |
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Posts: 37 (23-Mar-2008 17:27:42) |
Scifibug, that's awesome!
Thanks for the visualization. |
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scifibugc |
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Posts: 28 (24-Mar-2008 09:21:23) |
Dave Bender's Concept: 1500-2000 tons max
1 x 76mm/62 2 x RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile launchers 8 AGM-84H/K Harpoon SLAM VLS SeaSparrow launchers 2 x 3 Mark 54 ASW torpedoes 4 x Bushmaster 25mm/87 machine guns 2 x Remote Minehunting Systems. Dave, not to criticize but I've seen something similar before: 
With RAM replacing CIWS and mounted whrer the Mk 13 launcher was. Harpoon placed similar to where the Taiwanese place it on their ships. An ESSM VLS like the Aussie FiGG's. The Doyle had a Bushmaster mount only on the starboard side, but one could be mounted port side with more .50 cals mounted elsewhere. And finally the Remote Minehunting System replacing TACTAS Good ship overall, but not Chuck Norris material. |
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Posts: 29 (24-Mar-2008 09:25:18) |
USS Chuck Norris LCSGN-1 - design it - a reprise
Bunzov Steele challenged us to design: "…a nuclear-powered guided missile littoral combat ship. The USS Chuck Norris will be the lightweight counterpart to the USS Fanboy, and you've got 30,000 tons to play with. Cram whatever you like into it." I feel we've gotten away from the intention of this concept. Referencing the USS Fanboy, an Uber-Battleship design, makes me think Bunzov Steele isn't looking for something BuShips is likely to approve for construction. I believe (and correct me if I'm off base) he's looking for a battlecruiser sized warship with a primary mission to support operations ashore and naming it after Chuck Norris it has to kick a**! So seeing as its spring I declare that we wire down the reality check valve and see what we can pull out of our collective experience. It doesn't have to be practical; a "maybe it could work" is good enough. It may have no chance of passing an admiralty board, but because no one has every tried it does not mean you shouldn't. It can have enough exotic systems for a Dale Brown novel, more nukes to throw around than in something written by Joe Buff. If you read somewhere they considered equipping Sparrow missiles with nuke warheads, install a dozen. If you ever seen anything in Popular Mechanics or a similar magazine and went "I wonder…" go for it. I think everyone who draws ships for fun has that Super-Battleship they've drawn or doodled specs for, well here's a chance to come up for an escort for that ship. It should be about battlecruiser size, possibly nuclear powered, armed with guided missiles in some aspect, and be able to fight with-in weapon range of land. Any systems from any source but are able to state where you got it from. And be able to defend your design, not on practical considerations, but on ability to do the mission. Otherwise... go nuts. |
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Dave Bender |
Perry class Frigate | ||
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Posts: 6343 (24-Mar-2008 14:42:15) |
Nothing wrong with a Perry class FFG. It was state of the art during the 1980s. However the Perry class was designed for escorting merchant convoys across the
ocean.
An LCS is designed for operating in coastal water. I think it should use a catamaran hull to make the draft as shallow as possible. And the weapons should be oriented towards small threats at point blank range. Things like the speedboat which almost sank the U.S.S. Cole. American CV battle groups are not going away. They will handle the long range targets. |
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Desertfox.historypolitics... |
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Posts: 33 (24-Mar-2008 17:50:45) |
How about a hovercraft, a 30,000 ton nuclear hovercraft!
 Nothing
should stop Chuck Norris, not even land!
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