which ship would win?
alaska with superior guns
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scharnhorst with superior armour?
alaska with superior guns
or
scharnhorst with superior armour?
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Scharnhorst vs Alaska
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 FreeloaderUK |
Scharnhorst vs Alaska |
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Posts: 51 ( 1-Feb-2008 18:24:43) |
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William Kargel |
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Posts: 472 ( 1-Feb-2008 19:23:25) |
Hi,
This discussion has come up in the past. IIRC, the edge was given to Alaska, primarily due to the fact that her radar and better gunnery range would allow her to increase her chances of getting a hit first. In the absence of radar, then it's a toss-up...basically whomever gets a (critical) hit in first will likely win. Regards, Bill |
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Getz |
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Posts: 357 ( 1-Feb-2008 19:49:29) |
Here we go again... Well... In theory the Scharnhorst's armour is capable of resisting the Alaska's guns over a realtively wide IZ, whilst the Alaskas
only has a narrow IZ against the Scharhorst's cm guns. However, there is no question that the Alaska has much better Radar and FC equipment, on account of
being several years younger so she will probably hit first. She's also a couple of knots faster, although probably not enough to make much difference in
practice.
In a "Fair" fight the I'd tip my hat to the Scharnhorst as she's much more likely to survive the encounter, but war isn't about fair fights so in practice the Alaska would proabably have it. It would be a tight scrap either way...
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1-Feb-2008 19:51:42.
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ickysdad |
some earlier threads... | ||
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Posts: 3015 ( 1-Feb-2008 20:13:15) |
http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/704
it seems like Alaska's guns can penetrate the Twins belt at something like up to 16K and penetrate her decks past 24K. Of course you do have the turtle deck behind the belt in Scharnhost .However as Theodore stated in the earlier thread the utility of the turtle deck design is very open to debate.Then there is the boiler hump which also maybe be an exaggerated design weakness it seems somesourse say Duke of York disabled Scharnhorst at North Cape in this way but it's not known for sure. In guns verse turret armor it seems the Alaska is slightly better off though the Twins like the Bismarck MAY have had turrets just about vulnerable at any range to any BB type gun. Alaska's belt should be safe past about 22K and decks out to about 32-33K. As far as Scharnhorst's heavier secondaries doing alot of damage outside the citadel well Colorado was plummeled pretty good and her performance didn't suffer too much so maybe the unprotected ends criticism of all or nothing ships is exaggerated. The only thing that is a clear advantage for either ship is Scharnhorst's 10,000 ton wieght advantage. From Garzke & Dulin it appears that the Twins & Alaska both have a rather shallow belt vulnerable to under the belt hits but I don't know too awfully much about underwater trajectories. I would give a clear advantage in TDS to the Twins. All in all I think the USN did pretty good in what they designed in to the Alaska's.
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1-Feb-2008 20:47:10.
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seasick |
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Posts: 4364 ( 2-Feb-2008 00:42:24) |
The Alaska needs to stay at long range and pummel the Scharnhorst with her 12 inch guns. The Scharnhorst not being able to close will have to try to shoot
through her deck armor with her 11 inch guns.
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Tiornu |
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Posts: 6915 ( 2-Feb-2008 01:10:18) Corn Boss |
"In guns verse turret armor...."
Keep in mind, I taught grammar for a number of years. I am sorely tempted to bludgeon you with my Webster's Third International. |
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ickysdad |
Sorry Richard... | ||
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Posts: 3016 ( 2-Feb-2008 02:23:29) |
Tiornu wrote: Grammar isn't one of my strong points . LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Tiornu |
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Posts: 6917 ( 2-Feb-2008 03:25:27) Corn Boss |
You should have been one of my kids. I'd have whipped you into a Straight-A student.
Now, stop trying to use prepositions as verbs. "Versus" is a preposition; "verse" is poetry. Did you enjoy my haiku? |
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Posts: 400 ( 2-Feb-2008 04:13:30) |
This talk of whipping..... Just what kind of school did you teach at Mr Worth?
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BOBC 59 |
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Posts: 1068 ( 2-Feb-2008 04:25:42) |
Mr T
U must cringe beyond the univesrse when I say things like, Da dey dese doze etc, geez Hannah gonna have to spend time to tink when I answer a post from now on I donot want my chair alongside the teachers desk been there done that too many times NUFF SAID {Mr T cringes like a calif pune so sorry Richard I trying} BOBC
For those that fought for it,Freedom has a taste and meaning ,The protected will never know.
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Tiornu |
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Posts: 6918 ( 2-Feb-2008 07:18:03) Corn Boss |
"This talk of whipping..... Just what kind of school did you teach at Mr Worth?"
Today's science lesson: inertia! I'll demonstrate using this large wooden paddle. I need a volunteer.... "Da dey dese doze etc" I know who's getting extra homework this weekend. |
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