there's a 'remove formatting' button when you make a new post/thread. It would be plain text like the Quick REply.
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Posts: 718 (25-Jan-2008 07:56:21) |
Jim,
there's a 'remove formatting' button when you make a new post/thread. It would be plain text like the Quick REply. |
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Posts: 8803 (25-Jan-2008 14:54:31) Generally Obscure |
P3D -
+++++++ there's a 'remove formatting' button when you make a new post/thread. It would be plain text like the Quick REply. +++++++ I don't recall such a button - I may not have ever noticed it! Does it allow the incoming text to retain the formatting the creating word processing program gave it? Or does it remove all that too? I may have to experiment. If that button cures my yuku problems, your guy may well get a promotion! ;-)) |
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Posts: 5996 (25-Jan-2008 16:54:16) |
Right now the Arkhangelsk operation is the only thing that needs to remain secret. What else needs to be concealed?
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Posts: 8804 (25-Jan-2008 17:19:47) Generally Obscure |
Dave Bender -
You are approaching it "correctly", and may arrive at the same place the author has. Nonetheless, keep in mind that the characters do not have the same knowledge that readers do. For example, the characters do not know how important the Archangel operation may really be. They do not even know how important the US is - some suspect it, but none of them really KNOWS. Who right now in the LT storyverse might have the best appreciation of the US potential? Letters obviously had a considerable amount, but he's not been there for years. Also, there were, or so I have read somewhere sometime, German laws forbidding pix like the ones Blue obviously has. That info is - to be frank - espionage class intelligence. |
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Posts: 5998 (25-Jan-2008 18:47:18) |
The characters do not know how important the Archangel operation may really be.
Why not? The HSF intelligence officer and his assistants should have a pretty good estimate of Arkhangelsk port capacity. It's their job to know stuff like that. The HSF staff provides Admiral Letters with a daily briefing. They do not even know how important the US is Nonsense. Same reason as above. The HSF intelligence officer has a good estimate. And he briefs Baron Letters every day. German laws forbidding pix like the ones Blue obviously has. That info is - to be frank - espionage class intelligence. The Etappendienst will run this as an intelligence operation, based on the recommendation of Admiral Letters, who in turn is following the recommendation of his HSF intelligence staff officer. That will get the photographs released for publication ASAP. Jim, I know you served in the navy. Didn't they ever let you out of the engine room to see how the ship as a whole functioned?
Staff briefings are SOP for any professional military organization. Good commanders (which Baron Letters certainly is) insist on top notch performance from his staff. Baron Letters would not have a moron serving as his intelligence officer. He has had over a month to replace any sub standard staff members. |
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Posts: 267 (25-Jan-2008 20:58:10) |
Nott even Phonone can tell how Nott really does it. At least use of the 'flag quarters' reduces the need to dry the commodore's pants. Would BC
guns be useful in breaking a choke-hold? I'd think the 1SG turning to 270 would nott be good news for RN cruisers trying to close on them slowly.
The temporary slowing of QE and Warspite came across like a well thought-out maneuver -- efficient and effective. Are Dahm and his boats being set up to rescue Erhart? Someone else important? Excluded avatars? The impact of breaking off rescue operations off New York makes sense. Now Dahm is looking for excuses and opportunities. He's set up to push the rescue efforts as hard as he can even with another flag from Letters. Could that cost him his already temporary command? Hanzik knows that Ballin has significant contributions to make to the debrief, hence the nod to Letters. As expected, Ballin's contributions are filled with praise for the KM along with important economic and political news. Too bad he acts like he doesn't understand security issues. Necki and Letters both have choices to make that involve risk/reward or gain/loss trade-offs. For Necki, he can withdraw, shadow the RN or attack. Withdrawal is not what he's there for. By shadowing, he gains the outside chance of shocking the British if the plumes off shore are correctly identified to the British people. That's not something the RN is likely to release, but they would be likely to mis-identify. Shadowing the RN risks losses to mines or torpedoes. That approach also does not live up to the feral grin Necki showed when he read the orders from Letters. An attack on the remnants of the British dreadnaughts could gain a greater victory and satisfy Necki's hunger. The risk is stego holes in his ships. Letters choices of what to do with Blue are more of the same. He could have Blue detained-- a Bad Idea that would ruin much of the PR value of EG. He could let Blue publish all. That would gain a little more PR value, perhaps humanizing the huns more with pictures of their losses and rescue efforts. German credibility would be maintained because they would be living up to Ballin's promise of unfettered access. The loss would be allowing the British information on how well or poorly their shells worked and the damage levels to ships that did not sink. Yes, the sinkings will become known soon, but the impact on ships not sunk--e.g. repair time-- is worth protecting for a while. Blue could be censored a little. Germans gain suppression of the most sensitive information and Blue gains credibility that serves German purposes. The loss is that Ballin's promise is broken. Of course, he wasn't in the position to make that promise as broad as it seems to be now, but that won't soften the blow to Blue. The very thing that could improve Blue's credibility hurts that of the German Navy. It might serve to explain to Blue, and Ballin, the sensitive nature of the information in the pictures. The espionage laws could be used as a threat. Blue didn't spy per se because he was invited to take pictures by Ballin. He gets out of the charges if he gives up the pictures. That would only apply to some of the sensitive stuff. Rescue work still needs to be shown to the US public. Blue himself knows the most about US politics, perceptions and public opinion, but he's not thinking in those terms. Ballin is the German who knows the most about current American politics and public sentiments. The question of Blue and his pictures is now on the table where he can address it. Ballin and Letters are on a first-name basis and the superior/subordinate relationship is informally drawn. Ballin can speak freely and his views will be respected. He can help Letters draw the line between allowed and confiscated pictures. Time lag can work here, too. How much of the information becomes worthless for intelligence purposes by the time Blue can travel back to the US and get it published. Blue can send words back by German-provided wireless, but the pictures have to travel. Interesting dilemmas. DeR has shown his choice of the spiney tail. Letters and Necki are still caught on the horns. Waiting to read the outcome, jim.
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Posts: 719 (25-Jan-2008 21:12:35) |
jim 1 wrote: It's the 'Tx' button over the reply box. It should remove all formatting - save paragraphs.
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Posts: 5999 (25-Jan-2008 22:10:58) |
The real intent should be to get American photographers to the battlefields of Europe. Some New York Times photographs of the Entente military disasters in
France and Russia will blow all that carefully crafted French and British propaganda out of the water. For that reason the Etappendienst does need to get
involved. This is a lot bigger then just a HSF publicity stunt. Once the American people see how badly the Entente is losing they will not be anxious to sell
on credit. Nor will the American Senate want to guarantee any loans.
As a nice side benefit, Gen Falkenhayn will owe Baron Letters a huge favor for this positive publicity of the Heer. The KM will start looking like a team player in the war effort. |
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Posts: 8805 (25-Jan-2008 23:18:25) Generally Obscure |
Dave Bender _
I don't believe you're seeing it on a high enough level. That is, there surely are opinions and beliefs among some staff officers that are precise replicas of what you posted. However, there are other opinions and the decision-makers historically did not act as though they shared your posted opinions. There is a place in the history of Israel, about when the Lost Tribes got themselves lost, IIRC, that has echos of this. The king or decision-maker wanted to consult the prophets and take the right strategy to win. So, he called in the prophets and had a courtyard filled with men all claiming to have "the word" for him. He tried his very best but, to quote from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, "he chose badly." The decision-makers have lots and lots of info and data and opinions, and they do not agree. You - we, actually - have the advantage of hindsight. Just as I know that the Israeli leader putting on a hat with horns will not win the battle (despite being told "in this sign shall you conquer"), we know what the right choices would have been for the Germans. We know - they don't. In fact, they didn't. Invading through Belgium and getting Britain into the war instead of just sitting on the defensive with France until after beating Russia is just one such mistake. |
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Posts: 8806 (25-Jan-2008 23:26:08) Generally Obscure |
jab383 -
Nice post - thank you! Lot's of good intel feedback. :-) Dahm has twice seen the elephant, and is just weary and guilt-ridden enough not to be quite as fearful of an admiral's flags as he would have been just 6 or so weeks ago! Ballin does have some sense of security issues. It is one reason that he has come personally - to explain the situation. It is also why he is begging Letters to get with von Hoban. Ballin sees opportunity, but it is up to others (some higher than the poor Baron!) to make the decisions here, to balance gains and losses, risks and opportunities. I'm at TLC's store today - an long weekend! Yay! - and may post some more in response to you (and Dave) later. Great feedback! ;-)) |
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