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Posts: 5922 (16-Jan-2008 00:48:23) |
So the war lasts less than 6 months.
Yes, because by then NATO and the WP would have been reduced to throwing rocks at each other as munitions would have long since been exhausted. Pharris and Chicago? Red Storm rising? Got it in one. |
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Posts: 3 (16-Jan-2008 01:08:10) |
I like this story so far. Sounds like all hell is breaking loose.
How many nuclear weapons will be used? |
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Matt Wiser |
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Posts: 94 (16-Jan-2008 05:24:38) |
Ships and Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet (1997 edition) has Chicago (SSN-721) in PACFLT. I imagine that she's already made
Petrapavalosk-Kamchatka's life a bit unnerving, shooting TLAMs into the airfield and naval base....
Here's a source of troopships: cruise liners. No doubt that since Soviet subs have made cruising a hazardous proposition, the NATO navies take them over, regardless of whose flag they fly, and use them as troop transports (especially from CONUS and Canada). Even in one of Hackett's books the USN took two old Essex carriers and packed them full of troops for Operation CAVALRY-the seaborne reinforcement of Europe; one of them got sunk, IIRC. If the cruise lines squawk about not being paid enough for the ships, just impress the ships into whatever navy is taking them over, and just add a hazardous-duty bonus to the crew's pay. And the troops headed overseas on the liners would at least have one last bit of comfort before going to the front lines. Though the swimming pools would likely be planked over for helo pads. |
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Pengolodh |
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Posts: 1618 (16-Jan-2008 17:20:36) |
I don't think the pools are well placed to be helo-pads - most of them are topside, surrounded by various things that will snag the helicopter, I believe.
As for crews, they will (even some of the officers) tend to be non-Western - Philippines and so on. The most ships most desired as troopers will probably some
of the recent additions to Malaysian-owned NCL, as they have service-speeds of 24-25 knots. I'd think, though, that merchant tonnage is more desired than
passenger tonnage - troops can be flown over, and I'd think two 747s can move men across the Atlantic at about the same rate as one cruiseship can. Most
cruiseships will require seven days to cross the Atlantic from USA to Great Britain, the NCL-ships being one exception, and P&O's Oriana and Aurora
another. Thus, if a 747 manages one roundtrip per day, that's 400-450 men moved per aircraft per day, 2400-2700 men per aircraft over six days. And a 747
shot down will mean a few hundred lost, while a large cruiseship being sunk would mean thousands potentially lost in one go.
The fact that you needed to know was not known at the time that the now known need to know was known, therefore those that needed to advise and inform the Home Secretary perhaps felt the information he needed as to whether to inform the highest authority of the known information was not yet known and therefore there was no authority for the authority to be informed because the need to know was not, at that time, known or needed.
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Posts: 736 (16-Jan-2008 19:56:14) |
JNiemczyk wrote: Not neccesarily rocks, but certain other nasty things that are mounted on huge rockets..... |
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Posts: 3279 (16-Jan-2008 20:04:39) |
JNiemczyk wrote: That's the ammunition of World War 4. 
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Posts: 737 (16-Jan-2008 20:10:19) |
I just watched Top Gun again for the first time after almost two years.... Holy gods that is a cheesy but so incredibly funny movie.
 TLW verse will
definitely see part 2 someday, most likely with bagdad thunder in it.
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James1978 |
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Posts: 575 (17-Jan-2008 03:51:55) |
Hey Jan, I was looking at Ysterplaat in Google Earth, and I'm not sure if the runway is long enough for an A380.
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Matt Wiser |
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Posts: 95 (17-Jan-2008 04:28:23) |
BAGHDAD THUNDER would be its own movie, not a Top Gun sequel.
And why not plank the pools over? The Brits did that for the QE 2 when she went down south in '82 IIRC. They did the same to another one that did go all the way to Falkland Sound, and in Max Hastings' book, a lot of RN officers were very nervous about that liner being a very big and obvious target. There's another thing: airliners are going to be in heavy demand for troop hauling, and any means of picking up the slack will be taken into service. |
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Pengolodh |
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Posts: 1619 (17-Jan-2008 04:52:19) |
Where would you land a helicopter on this ship? This one has a smal platform right up front, at least. The thing is, most modern
cruise-ships have their pools between the foremast and the funnel, and it seems there's some time of aeriel suspended between the foremast and funnel in
most cases - I'm unsure of the use, but I see it in several pictures. I'd think most helicopter pilots would take exception to having to sneak in
trying to land on a mvoing deck under an equally moving aerial. Depending on the ship there may or may not be space aft of the funnel (if the funnel is very
far aft) or on the foredeck (which on modern passenger ships is often short) for a landing pad.
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