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Milne Bay	Hobart Class	Lead	[-]
Posts: 19 (28-Oct-2007 12:24:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I was wondering on the selection of "Hobart" as the class name for the AWD's. Does anyone have any background on why this is the "Hobart Class" and not say, the "Brisbane Class" ? Does it have anything to do with the WWII "HMAS Hobart" and its finally configured wartime role as a specialised air defence ship? Many thanks MB
CliffS		#1	[-]
Posts: 379 (28-Oct-2007 13:22:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Milne Bay wrote: I was wondering on the selection of "Hobart" as the class name for the AWD's. Does anyone have any background on why this is the "Hobart Class" and not say, the "Brisbane Class" ? Does it have anything to do with the WWII "HMAS Hobart" and its finally configured wartime role as a specialised air defence ship? Many thanks MB It probably has more to do with the lineage from the modified Charles F. Adams (or Perth-class) DDGs (Perth, Hobart & Brisbane). AFAIK, the Perth name had already been allocated to an Anzac-class frigate by the time the AWDs were planned. If, for example, the projected 3rd AWD is to be named Melbourne, she will be named as such after the currently-serving FFG of that name is decommissioned. Cheers, Cliff.
rabid stoat AUS		#2	[-]
Posts: 41 (29-Oct-2007 10:48:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	FYI, AWDestroyer names are HMAS Hobart, Brisbane, & Sydney. If there's a forth one it will probably be HMAS Darwin, logically. HMAS Melbourne will be the second of the planned Canberra class. The name Canberra seems to have a higher priority than the other capital names (since the 1920s), while Brisbane, Hobart, Perth and Darwin are the lower part of the list, IMO. Its worth noting there seems no favoritism amongst them though. Regional city names like Newcastle (a town in NSW and an Adelaide class) and half the names of the ANZAC class are recent additions, in the past these ships would have names more like Stuart, Success, Swordsman, etc... though its worth noting the fleet oiler HMAS Success replaced the Supply and is now supplemented with the new ship HMAS Sirius. Also worth noting the patrol boats of the Attack class had names like Acute, Archer, Assail, Attack, Bandolier, Barricade, and Bombard. Now they're all named after towns. I think its a pity there's no Voyager, Vampire and Vendetta, but I guess people feel the names are not Australian enough despite the history of the ships named so. Imagine the uproar if we'd bought into the T45 program and DIDN'T name them V,V,V! EDIT: If we buy a Sealift ship as planned, I expect it will be named HMAS Tobruk like its predecessor. Any thoughts? Last Edited By: rabid stoat AUS 29-Oct-2007 10:52:36. Edited 2 times.
skipper101		#3	[-]
Posts: 1460 (29-Oct-2007 23:46:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Actually Rabid stoat AUS, the name for the Fourth AWD is likly to be Melbourne. As the Second of the Canberra class will be Adelaide. This has already been decided and announced.
rabid stoat AUS		#4	[-]
Posts: 42 (30-Oct-2007 03:31:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You're right... don't know why I thought it was Melbourne. The aforementioned tendency to prioritize the names Melbourne and Sydney I suppose. I was wrong anyway. Thanks.
Fred the Great		#5	[-]
Posts: 819 (30-Oct-2007 04:38:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The fourth AWD - if there is a fourth AWD - is not likely to be named Melbourne, since Melbourne is one of the two youngest FFGs (along with Newscastle) and those ships may not be paid off before the commissioning of the new destroyer. Rather, there are a few options for the hypothetical fourth destroyer, Melbourne is one, but there are others.
Milne Bay		#6	[-]
Posts: 20 (30-Oct-2007 08:26:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It probably has more to do with the lineage from the modified Charles F. Adams (or Perth-class) DDGs (Perth, Hobart & Brisbane). AFAIK, the Perth name had already been allocated to an Anzac-class frigate by the time the AWDs were planned. If, for example, the projected 3rd AWD is to be named Melbourne, she will be named as such after the currently-serving FFG of that name is decommissioned. If memory serves it was the unfortunate DDG HMAS Hobart that was shot up by US jet(s) while on duty in Vietnamese waters. I was hoping that it might be because WWII HMAS Hobart became, at the close of the war, one of the world's pre-eminent air defence vessels. Does anyone have any inside info on this choice of name for the whole class. We are all kind of guessing at the moment.
Jim WH		#7	[-]
Posts: 710 (30-Oct-2007 13:31:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Milne Bay, I think you're reading too much into it. Sydney has a presence within the public psyche as a warship name, but beyond that I think it is coming down to a simple case of naming ships after state capitals. And for what it is worth, if we were going for fighting records, then Sydney is right at the top, with Darwin down at the bottom (Melbourne not very far above, only battle honour is WWI North Sea IIRC).
skipper101		#8	[-]
Posts: 1461 (30-Oct-2007 14:11:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think it is a simple case as the name Hobart is the one that has been out of service the longest there for the first name to be used for a new class of warship which subsequently follows on that the class takes on the name of the first unit. I really don't think there is any sybolic about any of it. just the way the cockie crumbles.
rabid stoat AUS		#9	[-]
Posts: 43 (30-Oct-2007 14:43:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Milne Bay wrote: If memory serves it was the unfortunate DDG HMAS Hobart that was shot up by US jet(s) while on duty in Vietnamese waters. Thanks for reminding me. I finally thought to look that up, the whole thing was even more messed up than I thought. Two sailors died! I'd often wondered how an American pilot shot up an American designed and built destroyer... I see know he had some excuse.

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