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BBMW wrote:All the Ticos, and the first flight of Burkes are old to really old. The Flight III Burkes will end up being replacements for the Ticos. The new frigate design may well end up replaicing some of the Flight I Burkes. So they don't want a ship that's not capabable of primary combat. And if you look at how they used the Perrys, that kind of bears this out. They didn't do anything to keep them out of harms way.
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That's exactly what I'm thinking. And if you look at the details of the AMDR/EASR functions vs the SPY1, the latter has some huge advantages. There's a thread in here about how the SPY-1 fit on the Burkes can only form one dwell across all four faces at a time. AESAs can form multiple dwells on multiple frequencies on each face simultaneously. Also, the AMDR design is very flexibly scalable, which is how EASR is coming about. The EASR is based on a 6' 9 module aperture, which is supposed to be equivalent in power and sensitivity to the SPY-1. The Burke IIIs are gettting a 14' 37 module aperture. If the Navy wanted to pump the frigate up slightly, they could use an 8' 16 module aperture.
And, In something that will drive the light frigate guys a little nuts, I'd be going heavy on VLS capacity also. I'm looking at two 32 cell batteries, one forward in the traditional location, and one aft, four modules in a single line, between the helicopter hangers.
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The nature of these thing, they get cheaper per unit the more you buy. Most of the cost is in the R&D and setting up production. I'm specifically thinking about the RMA (individual radar modules that make up the faces.) If enough of these get sold that Raytheon could really ramp up production, the price could drop substantially. So if they get used in the Burke IIIs, this frigate, the future carriers and amphibs, maybe a future cruiser, maybe future Canadian, Austrailian, and other navies ships, economies of scale could kick in.
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IcelofAngeln wrote:Dear God, right back to the Nieman-Marcus catalog. Hey, why not go to 250 cells plus Trident, 50-knot speed and a genie who grants wishes?We need CHEAP frigates NOW. That means OTS gear, not R&D vaporware. Christ, have LCS, Zumwalt and Ford taught you nothing about bleeding-edge technofantasies?
alspug wrote:SPY is goldplated so maybe the CEAFAR can be leveraged .
Phil Gollin wrote:.
Surely the "cheap ships now" cry leads to the rationale behind the Spruance class - "steel is cheap, air is free".
Just QUICKLY produce group of large hulls with lots of "holes" for future weapons (and the RN's "patented" fitted for but not with wiring and services). The first few will be rather ill equipped, but as the programme continues the new builds will gradually be launched with better weapons and equipment and the early ships will gain theirs when they go in for refits.
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