My vote currently is for the IMI Tavor, with the G36 being a close second. I vote for the IMI Tavor because no only does it's bullpup design allow it to
be smaller without losing power, but it was designed by some of (if not THE) greatest military minds in the world, the Israeli's, this coupled with
it's excellent ergonomics make it #1 in my book. The G36 is also a very solid effective gun that takes all of the good features from the M16 (light,
fairly accurate, good ergonomics), but it fixes the reliability problems of the direct impingement gas system. I'd have to say overall those are the two
best rifles currently being make, but what do you guys think?
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Posts: 5 (20-Oct-2007 09:09:53) |
G-36 has turned out to be a dog. HK stopped importing them because PD"s are switching to M-4's or Sigs. Sales have dried up..Problems are point of aim
wanders after 90-100 rounds of use and melting issues under conditions where a weapon should not be damaged.
Here is a thread at HK Pro about the Mexican copycat that details some of this.http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45350&page=3 Best assault rifle.....AK. |
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Posts: 292 (20-Oct-2007 13:00:40) |
AK-74 IMHO - all of the advantages of the AK-47 combined with most of the advantages of the M16. It isn't particularly impressive on paper, but as a weapon
that gives you the maximum bang per buck is solidly built and endlessly reliable, you'd be hard pressed to find better.
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Posts: 19 (20-Oct-2007 18:10:02) |
Blech, the 5.45x39 round is a PoS. It is to weak to wound by force alone, but it doesn't fragment like the 5.56x45 nato. Also it's erganomics suck, and
that is a big problem for a soldiers main weapon.
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Posts: 112 (21-Oct-2007 01:46:10) |
For some reason, I like the AK-100 series (some even have 5.56x45mm ammo, as well as 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm) though the Russians like the AN-94.
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Posts: 294 (21-Oct-2007 02:09:54) |
USS Clarence E Walsh wrote: No it doesn't fragment, it tumbles leaving very nasty wounds, which is why it was reputedly nicknamed the "poison bullet" by the Mujahadeen... The Russians considered a single 5.45 round to have about a 50% chance of incapacitating a man, and thats about twice as good as the old 7.62.
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Posts: 1573 (21-Oct-2007 03:49:08) |
The Tavor is certainly interesting and worth a good look. Bullpups do deal with the problem of how to achieve maximum compactness (for street fighting, plus
jumping in and out of vehicles and helos) while keeping the long barrel needed for decent performance with the 5.56mm cartridge.
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Posts: 24 (21-Oct-2007 06:21:15) |
Except getz forgetting the conclusions of actually controlled tests showing that tumbling was an inneffective wounding mechanism.
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Posts: 1576 (21-Oct-2007 10:45:16) |
Tumbling is by no means an ineffective wounding mechanism - it is vastly more effective than the alternative (drilling a small hole straight through). But if
bullets fragment while tumbling, that adds further to their wounding effect.
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Posts: 3162 (21-Oct-2007 18:56:31) |
Just a side thought, have bullets been made to deliberately seperate into pieces on entering the body?
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Posts: 1577 (21-Oct-2007 21:37:30) |
That's what the 5.56mm bullets usually do....of course, it's purely accidental; if it were deliberate, it would fall foul of the Hague Convention...
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Posts: 28 (22-Oct-2007 05:18:23) |
For the ineffectiveness of yawing examine the fackler studies.
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Posts: 1580 (22-Oct-2007 09:18:42) |
I'm well aware of the Fackler studies. These clearly show a substantial increase in the size of the permament (as well as temporary) wound channel
(compared with a stable bullet) as a result of the bullet turning over to travel base-first. That should come as no surprise; rifle bullets are much longer
than they are wide, so if one starts going through you sideways it's going to rip up far more flesh.
As I said, fragmentation adds to the wounding effect, but "tumbling" is still important. When the first "small-calibre" cartridges like the .303" were introduced they were loaded with long, round-nosed bullets which were not unstable and simply drilled straight through. The British found that they weren't effective enough and briefly introduced hollow-point bullets (the notorious "Dum dums") before these were banned by the Hague Convention. However, the pointed Ball Mk VII was introduced shortly afterwards and this did turn over on impact, doing far more damage. Tony Williams Homepage: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk |
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Posts: 30 (22-Oct-2007 23:46:40) |
While I do acknowledge that a tumbling bullet will cause greater injuries than one that does not tumble, I simply am saying it is not nearly as effective as
fragmentation. Also for a fackler study done directly on what we are discussing check this out. http://www.btammolabs.com/fackler/ak74_wounding_potential.pdf
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Posts: 297 (26-Oct-2007 00:49:02) |
Well you can take your choice, but I wouldnt take any of them. The concept is now dated and useless for unconventional warfare in the contempory scenario.The
best were the German MP44/45 series weapons.They were the ideal , easy to manufacture, pressed steel creation designed to hose solders off advancing tanks, and
defend cities from the advancing hordes of conscipt armies. Every one since has just been a sexed up plastic version that every fashion conscious army had to
have.Now its all change and the concept is dead as the dodo.
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Posts: 49 (26-Oct-2007 03:37:54) |
...Are you joking? The concept of the assault rifle hasn't gone extinct, just look at the main service rifle (the projected future main service rifles) of
most of the major nations on earth.
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Posts: 1162 (26-Oct-2007 04:10:22) |
Swiss SG 541. As long as I do not have to buy it at $3,000 per.
I would have loved their proposed 6.45 cal. Federal.Arms.Factory E21, but the Swiss Army backed out of that program. Never met a Swiss Rifle I didn't like. The 550 series continues a marvelous tradition. B. |
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