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Condottiere wrote:This sounds pretty Anglocentric.
Is there an exact date when this term was first used?
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henshao wrote:If the question is "how expendable," I would posit that a lightweight STOVL carrier is more expendable than a nuclear attack sub, which itself is more expendable currently than a big boy aircraft carrier, which is probably neck-and-neck with a ballistic missile sub. Who can know for sure?
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TOS1956 wrote:Very personal but I always believed it came from the latin caput that can be translated as "most significant" or "lead" like in capitol city. The origin is actually interesting as if it comes from accounting the "non expendable" looks stronger though IMO the risk appetite comes more from having dozens of them or just one or two, a Nelson era 74 was a capital ship but it was accepted you were likely to lose a few to combat or bad weather.
Mar 28 17 6:58 PM
stevep59 wrote wrote:=1em I thought the origin was from per capita, i.e. per head/per person? Which Wiki says is French rather than directly from the latin but that could be a mote point.
=1em I thought the origin was from per capita, i.e. per head/per person? Which Wiki says is French rather than directly from the latin but that could be a mote point.
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Joe Steel wrote:stevep59 wrote wrote:=1em I thought the origin was from per capita, i.e. per head/per person? Which Wiki says is French rather than directly from the latin but that could be a mote point.Per capita is a french derivation from the latin caput, or head. The idea of 'capital" meaning principal or most important comes from the derivation of the roman "capitaloline" temple, the temple of Jupiter, so-called because a skull was allegedly found when digging the foundations (thus, "temple of the head"). The term "capitoline" came to mean the whole hill and everything on it, which was considered the epicenter fo the Roman state. Such a vital location or thing became known as a "capital" location or thing. The accounting explanation makes no sense, as all ships are capital expenses.
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Condottiere wrote:I'd be a little wary in following Star War spacetime terminology.
Like a lot of things in that universe, ship size and capabilities is dictated by plot.
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henshao wrote:From memory,
Ship of the Line of Battle - Battleship
Armored Cruiser - Cruiser
Torpedo Boat Destroyer - Destroyer
Frigate - Frigate (lol)
Aircraft Carrier - Carrier
IMO, missiles are a form of aircraft. A guided missile destroyer/cruiser/battleship has just as much claim to the title of "carrier" as "frigate."
Don't tell that to the USN, that's been arguing the opposite for decades an the Montreux pacts forbid "carriers" fron non Black Sea states from going through the Dardanelles. Classification is usually not very significant, we can argue forever on wheter some ships were seconf class PDD battleships or armoured cruisers, until you get to treaties ...... then it becomes critical and milirarly totally insignificant rustbuckets becoume "noted exceprions" and they do not fit any cathegory.
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