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Mar 13 17 4:28 PM
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Mar 13 17 6:01 PM
Bledlow wrote:I was happy with the first report I read - last month. It had a little more detail than the open part of that Janes one, but it didn't include any pointless additional details which included easily checkable mistakes, such as the relative sizes of economies & incorrect conversions from metric to Imperial measures. My objection was to the use of StrategyPage as a source. As the mistakes I mention show, it's as reliable as a British Leyland car.
Mar 13 17 6:09 PM
Scouse wrote:Agreed that I thought we'd done this to death.
Thats why an article that effectively says 'Germans ditching legacy missiles for better, modern, alternative' surprised me....and that, further, an insinuation it was something laudable while condemning the UK for doing the same thing was unfathomable. The Germans doing so is not before time....there are a few people here who know me from Keymags forum and they'll tell you I've been cheerleading for NSM since about 2002...that its finding a following now does not surprise me in the least.
I'm not sure here if you are advocating NSM for the RN....something we did discuss here well before this news was published!?. As your article suggests its currently the only service-ready missile of its type. My view is that we have a choice of NSM in 2018-19 say or LRASM in 2023-4 and that, frankly, is a no-brainer. There was a push for LM to get LRASM in the RN before it was actually confirmed T26 would get Mk41....now that we have finalised that were likely only waiting on the outcome of the USN OASuW Increment 2 selection....a decision, according to Proceedings, which is set for this FY. If, somehow, OASuW-II goes against LRASM and LM cant take it forward as a cost-effective system we can always fall back on MRT or NSM.
I said that Sea Venom can provide enough anti-ship capability, in conjunction with the sun-dodgers, to cope with anything likely to occur in the next few years. I've never claimed it should be a direct replacement for SSGW....thats where LRASM should come in. I said that I'd like to see a box-launched Sea Venom for lighter or non-VLS combatants...vaguely in the Marte-2N category. Thats not quite the same thing though is it.
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Mar 13 17 9:45 PM
HMS Vanguard wrote:HMDL you have problems accepting that the RN (and all high capability navies) is now a system, not a series of individual ships that shoot at one another in a line of battle. Pretty much all of your disagreements on these topics come from the assumption that naval battles are fought by escorts exchanging shots with one another and they aren't. Quite aside from the fact that the most likely operational scenarioes for our navy don't revolve around fighting another navy at all.
Mar 13 17 10:20 PM
Mar 13 17 11:13 PM
HMS Vanguard wrote:The Bundesmarine is a borderline brown water force with considerably less capability than our navy in every aspect.
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Mar 14 17 11:03 AM
Scouse wrote:I am trying to understand the mentality that drives one to write chapter and verse about irrelevant, obsolescent and inconsequential weapons systems and wants to see the removal of the most relevant and heavily used weapons system we have....Trident.
You talk of the world becoming ever more unstable whilst denigrating one of the most fundamental stabilising factors...fear of the other guy hitting you so hard that you cannot recover.
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Mar 14 17 12:28 PM
HMDL1963 wrote:HMS Vanguard wrote:The Bundesmarine is a borderline brown water force with considerably less capability than our navy in every aspect.
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Mar 14 17 3:15 PM
HMS Vanguard wrote:But that's not at all true. I would love to increase funding for the RN and buy all this stuff. My problem with HDML and the like is that he thinks we should buy CAMM and Harpoon and pay for it by scrapping the carriers, Trident, and the SSN fleet - insanity.
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