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Posts: 6274 ( 8-May-2008 06:44:35) |
than on top of it.
USS DeHAVEN DD 727 Sumner class destroyer refueling from the USS ORISKANY CVA 34 http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/AMMUNITION/DD-REFUELING-FROM-CARRIER.html |
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Posts: 8454 ( 8-May-2008 07:59:47) Wheat Boss |
Any idea why she has bloomers on Mount 51 but not on Mount 52?
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Posts: 1472 ( 8-May-2008 11:39:11) |
Theodore wrote: The Mk 25 radar says mid-'50s? Had a Mustang CO once, to whom I posed the same question. He said it had gotten "too hard." The patterns were
no longer available and the concept of the inflatable gun port seal had replaced the bloomers. At any rate, by the time I was looking at real 5"38s the
canvas thingies were all gone, or so it appeared.
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Gene Slover |
The bloomers were to keep the sea water | ||
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Posts: 6277 ( 8-May-2008 11:42:49) |
from washing the grease off the gun port shields. The gun port shields are the curved pieces that fit around the gun barrel and seal the gun port to keep sea water out. The gun port seals are fitted to the gun port and are a friction slide fit. Grease is liberaly applied to keep down wear so you don't have sea water entering the gun house. It was apparently the captains choice if the gun mounts used bloomers or not. The bloomers were canvas and were painted with a waterproofing paint. The bloomers would wear out in the creases and folds from the constant pounding of the sea water in rough weather. The bloomers were a pain in the ass. |
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Posts: 6278 ( 8-May-2008 12:03:15) |
We used waterproof canvas to cover a lot of things exposed to the sea water.
We kept quite a bit of canvas aboard and you cut it to fit whatever you were covering and you had to sew it together. We had a palm protector that had a sort of socket for the end of the needle so you did not hurt your hand if the needle slipped and large needles and a heavy string. If I can find a picture of this I'll post it? Canvas was kept on the winches, depth charge racks, the drums where we rolled up the lines used to tie up the ship. There was a slot in the MK 37 director for the rangefinder. The rangefinder received level and crosslevel so it moved up and down in the slot and we used canvas to waterproof the director around the rangefinder. The officers hatch was canvas on the director. There were just lots of places we used waterproof canvas and it had to be cut to fit. |
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Posts: 1312 ( 8-May-2008 14:33:29) |
When did they sub out neoprene gun bucklers for the bloomers? On the DD it makes sense they'd have bloomers on turret 1 due to it's exposure to water.
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Looks more like a | ||
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Posts: 132 ( 8-May-2008 15:13:58) |
..sub riding on the surface!!!
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Gene Slover |
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Posts: 6280 ( 8-May-2008 17:13:21) |
(((When did they sub out neoprene gun bucklers for the bloomers?)))
They were first made for the 8"/55 rapid fire guns I think. Then for the16"/50's on the Iowas during the Korean War. When the Iowas first came out they used the same 1 ply rubber flashing material that had been used on all other BB guns. To use the 1 ply rubber flashing you cut it like you did the canvas. |
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Gene Slover |
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Posts: 6281 ( 8-May-2008 17:30:39) |
The Boatswainsmates kept bolts of canvas and when you needed some you got it from them.
You also got the needles and palm protector from the Boatswainsmates as well as the waterproffing paint. Depending on what you were going to sew up you only had about 3 choices of string which was called marlin. The marlin had something that it was soaked in before we got it which made it a little waterproof, anyway it had a texture to it. The largest was about 1/8" in diameter. This stuff was usually kept in the paint locker. With the 1/8" diameter marlin you wrapped stantions and things like that and it made them look pretty good. When you were a seaman second class you learned a lot about seaman ship and how to tie all of the knots and to take a white twine and wrap it on things like handles for doors. It made the handle less slippery and you used some neat knots to secure it to the handle. Then you painted it white and it stayed white for a long time because the paint soaked into the white twine. Some of the knots looked really good and took a while to do them.
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Posts: 1198 ( 8-May-2008 21:14:48) |
Dive! Dive! Dive!
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Posts: 6282 ( 8-May-2008 22:38:13) |
In case I was not clear the 8"/55 rapid fire gun and the 16"/50 gun were the only guns that ever got the neoprene gun bucklers.
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Posts: 1313 (10-May-2008 00:29:59) |
Gene Slover wrote: Presumably they'd fit the 16"45 as well, but were never needed. Thanks as always Gene. |
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Posts: 6287 (10-May-2008 01:29:40) |
Thanks
I think they probably would have fit the 16"/45 but they were all decommissioned by the time they were made for the 16"/50. |
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Posts: 1164 (10-May-2008 02:19:15) |
We came back from Africa with expanded gun liners, and not one of our 16/45 had a full blommers most were shredded if not that, then badly torn it, happened a
few othe times as well ,last time it happened was at the blasting of the Jap home land at Honshu! its a wonder we had any liners left when we were called off
the line
NUFF SAID BOBC
For those that fought for it,Freedom has a taste and meaning ,The protected will never know.
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Posts: 416 (10-May-2008 10:09:33) |
Any idea where the shot was taken at? It reminds me of shots I've seen of the North Sea.
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Gene Slover |
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Posts: 6288 (10-May-2008 18:10:49) |
I don't know were the shot was taken other than its somewhere in the Pacific.
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Posts: 1167 (10-May-2008 22:59:47) |
The PACIFIC
dose not always mean it is flat water they have had some hellish storms below and above the equator NUFF SAID BOB
For those that fought for it,Freedom has a taste and meaning ,The protected will never know.
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Posts: 2312 (11-May-2008 23:24:11) |
In seas like taht, can the props on the DD, or a DE, come out of the water?
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Posts: 6302 (11-May-2008 23:48:04) |
Ed
I was one of the fortunate few that never got seasick no matter what. There were times when on a DD with a 325 man crew there were only about 50 of us that were well enough to stand watch. I never have slept very good but in rough weather I could sleep like a baby. One of my favorite things to do on a DD in rough weather was to go up the the MK 37 director and sit in the officers chair which had a canvas hatch top, there was no metal hatch cover. Sitting there you are about 50 feet above the water line and the DD's I was on were all 2250's and were about 390 feet long. The pilot house is 150 feet back from the bow and the sonar dome is directly under the pilot house. We always traveled in a division of 4 ships and I could look out at the DD's paralleling us and when the bow went up I could see daylight aft of the sonar dome. When the ship went down at the bow about the same amount of ship from the fantail forward would be out of the water and yes the screws were well clear of the water. When the screws clear the water they have no resistance so they sped up to a point where the screws shook the ship like a dog shakes a rabbit to kill it. I never found anyone who knew just how fast the screws sped up to but it was beyond their balance point and the shafts whatever that was.
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Posts: 6303 (12-May-2008 00:10:45) |
Sitting in the director 50 feet up and about 150 back from the bow I could watch the bow go down inti the ocean.
The bow cut down into the ocean and the water from the deck all the way up to the level of the ocean looked like a plate of glass was holding the ocean back as if it were a glass tank and the 2 walls of water were very smooth. The only thing that was not smooth up and down was that a white stream of foamy water was shoothing through the oval hawspipe and the stream of foamy water crossed each other and would hit the vertical sheet of ocean water. It gave you the impression that the ship had stopped all forward motion, which it had not. That was just an amazing sight. When the bow went down far enough so that when I looked port or starboard I was looking level with the oceans surface the bow would start to come up and the ship seemed to start forward again. The bow seemed to plunge under the vertical walls of water and the water would come crashing down on the forecastle and on the 5" mounts. As the bow plunged further forward the forecastle and mount 51 disapeared and about 1/2 of mount 52. At this time the bow is coming up and clearing the ocean and the high winds would blow the water back over mount 52 and would blow streams of water and foam clear over the director. I would watch all of this and just before the foamy water hit the front of the pilot house I would pull the canvas cover down to keep from getting soaked. It would be all over in a minute and I would open the hatch to see everything all over again. I never tired of watching all this. |
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Posts: 2314 (20-May-2008 00:22:48) |
Sounds like riding on the back of a whale.
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