It would be perhaps of some relief for many citizens in Zimbabwe if a certain Chinese vessel off Durban where to say.....suddenly sink for inexplicable reasons.
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Posts: 3447 (19-Apr-2008 10:41:06) |
It would be perhaps of some relief for many citizens in Zimbabwe if a certain Chinese vessel off Durban where to say.....suddenly sink for inexplicable reasons. |
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Posts: 170 (19-Apr-2008 12:36:14) |
The dock workers in South Africa are showing more strength of character and backbone than Mugabe's boy toy Mbeki. The unofficial embargo on these weapons
may be enough to tip the balance in Zimbabwe, but if any submarines are in the area and fancy a bit of target practice...
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Posts: 165 (19-Jul-2008 21:09:00) |
Sink a cargo ship registered under the Chinese flag? Uh-oh....
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Obi Wan Russell |
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Posts: 172 (19-Apr-2008 14:13:59) |
Sink a cargo ship registered under the Chinese flag? Uh-oh....
Hence the use of the terms 'Accident' and 'sink for inexplicable reasons'. Cargo ships sink all the time due to poor maintenance, bad weather, navigational error. These things happen... |
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Posts: 270 (19-Apr-2008 15:42:37) |
Obi Wan Russell wrote: Bad weather or navigational error? When the ship's anchored in Durban Harbour? I think it would cause less of an incident for the shipment to mysteriously end up in a ravine by the side of the road between Durban and Zimbabwe- and the truckers' union say they won't transport it even if the dockers unload it, so they may well decide to arrange that! Or perhaps have the container "accidentally" dropped in the harbour. Anyone want several million water-damaged 7.62x55 rounds, mortar shells, 40mm rockets, etc? Edit: The ship has now left Durban, after a South African judge ruled that its cargo could not be transported overland through SA. The weapons are still on board, and the ship is apparently heading for Mozambique to try and unload its cargo there. A South African human rights group is apparently making representations to the government of Mozambique to stop transshipment through there.
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Posts: 2656 (19-Apr-2008 16:41:21) |
I vaguely recall experiments by a Yank boffin during the Pacific War that aimed to create artificial tsunami as a way of clearing the coasts of small islands
preparatory to a landing. Didn't work, but perhaps we should be relieved that it didn't. Naturally occurring freak waves are enough of a problem, but
to have the dark suspicion that some foreign power engineered a freak wave that just happened to intercept a ship carrying a few hundred tonnes of arms
shipment from one unpopular totalitarian state to another would cause waves of a very different kind at the very highest levels!
If nothing else, a torpedo is more honest. Because of that, we have less state-sponsored piracy on the high seas than we might otherwise.
The aim of diplomacy is to achieve results, not win arguments
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Posts: 2657 (19-Apr-2008 16:49:38) |
An additional thought is that it would be far better for this shipment, and for Mugabe's regime, to fail in a very public fashion and for that downfall to
be brought about by organisations such as human rights activists and worker's unions with a conscience for the same reasons that I'm against
suppressing the right of extreme organisations in the UK to demonstrate on the streets. If Oswald Mosely's brown shirts had been banned from marching, they
never would have been put down quiet as hard as they were. They might, in fact, have prospered under the weight of the ban as martyrs, lurking under their
mouldy stones, breeding on resentment and a sense of injustice which would only lend weight to their argument. If someone's basic argument is flawed, the
last thing you want to do is shut them up, or people will naturally begin to think that maybe their argument isn't so flawed and that you're afraid of
it. No, let the brown shirts of the world scream their drivel from the rooftops... then everyone can see just what clowns they really are and ignore them as
appropriate, or smack them over the head with a brick, as they like. That's democracy ;-)
I'd rather the arms shipment was a very public failure brought about by legal means and argued by sane, rational voices. No stealthy attacks. Did the French do themselves any favours when they mined the Rainbow Warrior? Like hell. It would be, in today's parlance, a public relations nightmare. It's exactly the same reason why the Japanese haven't sunk the Greenpeace ships that follow them around the Antarctic every year, and I don't doubt for a split second that certain parties on the Japanese side would love to blow them out of the water!
The aim of diplomacy is to achieve results, not win arguments
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