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Haruna, according to two sources, was damaged in the South Pacific on a mine laid by German raider 'Wolf'. Mines were laid by the raider in mid-1917 off New Zealand, the east coast of Australia, and Singapore, but this incident needs confirmation

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japsh-h/haruna.htm

While in the south Pacific in 1917, she was damaged by a mine laid by the German auxiliary cruiser Wolf.

http://www.bobhenneman.info/Kongohistory.htm

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Damaged by German mine in South Pacific

http://www.lostbattalion.com/t-bb_Kongo.aspx

Kongo saw little activity during World War One but, in 1917, her sister Haruna was damaged by a mine in the Pacific laid by the German raider Wolf.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4442/is_200607/ai_n17183469/pg_4

In September of 1917, she suffered moderate damage from a mine laid by the German raider SMS Wolf.

However…

http://www.combinedfleet.com/haruna.htm

Authors' Note:
*Some sources claim that in the summer of 1917, while on a training exercise in the South Pacific, HARUNA hit a mine and was damaged severely. She flooded, but managed to make port. The sources claim the mine was laid by Fregattenkapitän (later Kapitän zur See) Karl A. Nerger's Imperial German Navy commerce raider/minelayer WOLF. Other sources say the mine was laid by raider BERLIN. No photographic evidence of the damage, or any record of repairs is known to exist, which casts doubt on the veracity of this event. In fact, Mr. Nakagawa Tsutomu, a well known Japanese naval historian, states that HARUNA never hit a mine at any time during her career.

Anyone know the story behind this? The one web site claims two sources but then fails to list them. What source was used to get this started?
Thanks.
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USS Alaska

My Recent Posts · ( 3-May-2008

The two sources the Henneman site refers to are probably the generally good Jentshura et al "Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy 1869-1945" and "Conway's...1906-1921". But, I'd tend to go with Combined Fleet's more specifically sourced statement that it's not true. Ishibashi's recent huge book on Japanese BB/BC's "Ship's Data IJN Warships 1868-1945 Part 1 Battleships and Battlecruisers" also gives the same basic chronology for Haruna's career as the Combined Fleet 'TROM', with ops off China in April 1917 but apparently otherwise in Japan and no such incident noted.

"The Kaiser's Pirates" by Walter is a good book on the raiders, detailed as to victims especially, merchant ships are usually under-covered in books about anti-commerce naval action. It also doesn't mention it, and Wolf's minefields in the Pacific were laid in Australian/NZ waters (besides those in the Indian Ocean, which sank a Japanese merchant ship among others). The Japanese did send some warships as far as NZ in 1914 to help hunt German cruisers but they didn't normally 'exercise' there in that period, just Haruna's presence there in 1917 would have been better known in the West all along if it was true, I think.

It clearly wasn't Berlin, which never left European waters. That might be confusion with the minefield it laid which sank the British BB Audacious in November 1914.

Joe

My Recent Posts · ( 4-May-2008

Thank you sir. I'm TDY at the moment and away from my books. I have "The Kaiser's Pirates" and "The Cruise of the Raider Wolf", by Roy Alexander at home and was going to check them as soon as I got back. I was also going to give "Jane's Fighting Ships of World War I" a shot but that will probably only disappoint me again.

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My Recent Posts · ( 6-May-2008

Can anyone provide information on where I might be able to obtain a copy of "Ship's Data IJN Warships 1868-1945 Part 1 Battleships and Battlecruisers"?

My Recent Posts · ( 6-May-2008

From what I've read, the book is all in Japanese, but the displacement, complement, etc. are translated into English. It is also quite costly, with shipping it is around $260.

Some more information about the book: http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=4917.0

My Recent Posts · ( 6-May-2008

Re: "Ship's Data" besides post above and thread it links: It's in stock at Amazon.jp at the moment, been in and out, but limited print run. It was around $296 all-in to US with prevailing rates in February. Tables on Dimensions, Machinery, Armament and Armor have English/Japanese headings, but the detailed complement tables, several pages of notes each class (including the chronologies I referred to), and drawing notations are all in Japanese only (PS also uses Arabic numerals, ie what we use in English, some traditional Japanese books use Chinese numerals). The drawings themselves though are what's the heart of the book, no photo's, big book (38x28cm format). It's 'vol 1' but there isn't yet and won't necessarily be any other vols. for 1868-1945 AIUI; the same author previously did a similar book on JMSDF ships 1952-2002.
To google for further purchase info the title as written in Japanese is:
図解日本帝国海軍全艦船1868-1945 第1巻戦艦・巡洋戦艦
the unbolded part ('vol. 1') isn't always included.

Joe

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Registered Member Posts: 8 ( 3-May-2008 06:07:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyJapanese.htm Haruna, according to two sources, was damaged in the South Pacific on a mine laid by German raider 'Wolf'. Mines were laid by the raider in mid-1917 off New Zealand, the east coast of Australia, and Singapore, but this incident needs confirmation http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japsh-h/haruna.htm While in the south Pacific in 1917, she was damaged by a mine laid by the German auxiliary cruiser Wolf. http://www.bobhenneman.info/Kongohistory.htm IJN Haruna WWI Service: Damaged by German mine in South Pacific http://www.lostbattalion.com/t-bb_Kongo.aspx Kongo saw little activity during World War One but, in 1917, her sister Haruna was damaged by a mine in the Pacific laid by the German raider Wolf. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4442/is_200607/ai_n17183469/pg_4 In September of 1917, she suffered moderate damage from a mine laid by the German raider SMS Wolf. However… http://www.combinedfleet.com/haruna.htm Authors' Note: *Some sources claim that in the summer of 1917, while on a training exercise in the South Pacific, HARUNA hit a mine and was damaged severely. She flooded, but managed to make port. The sources claim the mine was laid by Fregattenkapitän (later Kapitän zur See) Karl A. Nerger's Imperial German Navy commerce raider/minelayer WOLF. Other sources say the mine was laid by raider BERLIN. No photographic evidence of the damage, or any record of repairs is known to exist, which casts doubt on the veracity of this event. In fact, Mr. Nakagawa Tsutomu, a well known Japanese naval historian, states that HARUNA never hit a mine at any time during her career. Anyone know the story behind this? The one web site claims two sources but then fails to list them. What source was used to get this started? Thanks. _________________ USS Alaska
JBren1		#1	[-]
Posts: 195 ( 3-May-2008 19:22:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The two sources the Henneman site refers to are probably the generally good Jentshura et al "Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy 1869-1945" and "Conway's...1906-1921". But, I'd tend to go with Combined Fleet's more specifically sourced statement that it's not true. Ishibashi's recent huge book on Japanese BB/BC's "Ship's Data IJN Warships 1868-1945 Part 1 Battleships and Battlecruisers" also gives the same basic chronology for Haruna's career as the Combined Fleet 'TROM', with ops off China in April 1917 but apparently otherwise in Japan and no such incident noted. "The Kaiser's Pirates" by Walter is a good book on the raiders, detailed as to victims especially, merchant ships are usually under-covered in books about anti-commerce naval action. It also doesn't mention it, and Wolf's minefields in the Pacific were laid in Australian/NZ waters (besides those in the Indian Ocean, which sank a Japanese merchant ship among others). The Japanese did send some warships as far as NZ in 1914 to help hunt German cruisers but they didn't normally 'exercise' there in that period, just Haruna's presence there in 1917 would have been better known in the West all along if it was true, I think. It clearly wasn't Berlin, which never left European waters. That might be confusion with the minefield it laid which sank the British BB Audacious in November 1914. Joe
USS ALASKA		#2	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 9 ( 4-May-2008 06:07:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thank you sir. I'm TDY at the moment and away from my books. I have "The Kaiser's Pirates" and "The Cruise of the Raider Wolf", by Roy Alexander at home and was going to check them as soon as I got back. I was also going to give "Jane's Fighting Ships of World War I" a shot but that will probably only disappoint me again. USS ALASKA
p620346		#3	[-]
Posts: 500 ( 6-May-2008 02:13:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Can anyone provide information on where I might be able to obtain a copy of "Ship's Data IJN Warships 1868-1945 Part 1 Battleships and Battlecruisers"?
Creeping Death1929		#4	[-]
Posts: 1003 ( 6-May-2008 03:17:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	From what I've read, the book is all in Japanese, but the displacement, complement, etc. are translated into English. It is also quite costly, with shipping it is around $260. Some more information about the book: http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=4917.0
JBren1		#5	[-]
Posts: 196 ( 6-May-2008 20:43:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Re: "Ship's Data" besides post above and thread it links: It's in stock at Amazon.jp at the moment, been in and out, but limited print run. It was around $296 all-in to US with prevailing rates in February. Tables on Dimensions, Machinery, Armament and Armor have English/Japanese headings, but the detailed complement tables, several pages of notes each class (including the chronologies I referred to), and drawing notations are all in Japanese only (PS also uses Arabic numerals, ie what we use in English, some traditional Japanese books use Chinese numerals). The drawings themselves though are what's the heart of the book, no photo's, big book (38x28cm format). It's 'vol 1' but there isn't yet and won't necessarily be any other vols. for 1868-1945 AIUI; the same author previously did a similar book on JMSDF ships 1952-2002. To google for further purchase info the title as written in Japanese is: 図解日本帝国海軍全艦船1868-1945 第1巻戦艦・巡洋戦艦 the unbolded part ('vol. 1') isn't always included. Joe Last Edited By: JBren1 6-May-2008 20:53:00. Edited 1 times.

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