china the largest navy in the world

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (steevy) — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:17:10 GMT

Note the above and add them to my post on demographic trends AND just how far China still has to go to get anywhere near US GDP and technology and environment and quality of life and.....etc.

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (seasick) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:26:36 GMT

India's economy has stopped growing like gang busters because the labor pool can't keep up. China's economy is growing bbut I doubt it can keep up its current pace. There will be a recession and the government is going to face a large populace that has only known run away growth for many years. The collapse of the communist party will probably come at that point.

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:59:31 GMT

Nightwatch2 wrote:
"Competeing for resources has driven up prices for raw materials, check the price at your local gas pump. "

that is because of environmentalist-whacko-nut-cases and their political hacks in Congress (sadly, not just one party.....) who have blocked oil exploration and drilling forcing us to import oil. US oil companies control less than 7% of the world market of oil and are forced to...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:17:35 GMT

"Competeing for resources has driven up prices for raw materials, check the price at your local gas pump. "

that is because of environmentalist-whacko-nut-cases and their political hacks in Congress (sadly, not just one party.....) who have blocked oil exploration and drilling forcing us to import oil. US oil companies control less than 7% of the world market of oil and are forced to purchase crude oil from nationally controlled oil companies overseas.

that is...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:57:04 GMT

Nightwatch2 wrote:

seasick wrote:
"you are being censored from reading your own posts...that'll teach you! "

Nightwatch2, that could be a problem with your browser. After you submit the browser my be rereading the directory out of the cache rather than down loading from the net. Set you browser to check for new versions of a...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (seasick) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:24:22 GMT

No; a rant against corporations getting tax breaks to offshore work . . .

aka Welfare for Corporations.

No Free Lunch . . .

All that money saved by outsourcing has undone wonder. The economies of China, and India, have grown because of it and have taken a life of its own. Competeing for resources has driven up prices for raw materials, check the price at your local gas pump.

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:59:50 GMT

Scott Brim wrote:

EMC: A vent against free trade: .... US industrial base is eroding ... corporate greed ... tariffs ... the Federal Reserve .... etc. etc....

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:26:40 GMT

I am not "ventin on scouse".

we obviously are reading different source documents and have come to different conclusions based on our profesional judgement. That's all.

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Scott Brim) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:49:05 GMT

EMC: A vent against free trade: .... US industrial base is eroding ... corporate greed ... tariffs ... the Federal Reserve .... etc. etc.

This is...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:22:15 GMT

"Again if you think that those capabilities are a couple of decades away for the PLAN please show some justification of that belief!. "

I read about what they are doing all the time. I will not, however, share all my sources or go any further into details.

just one open source tidbit

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Scouse) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:26:06 GMT

Nightwatch,

no, I am not making the same mistake over and over again. You are. The Super Hornet will not necessarily have the edge in information warfare in 2020 nor will the USN or the USAF.

Like I said do the reading. By 2030 the USN are going to have all manner of offboard ISTAR from HALE/MALE UAV's, autonomous UUV's, advanced model E-2's, SURTASS-LFA etc feeding the shooter-assets. Shooter assets that have the C3I...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:50:34 GMT

I think that everybody is also missing two problems: one is the US industrial base is eroding, largely as the result of corporate greed, aggravated by US trade policy ("US" goods are defined by the nationality of the corporation making the product, not where they're made, so HP printers produced in Singapore, with 0% US content, are more "American" than Hondas produced in Ohio) and tax breaks (US corporations get tax breaks for R&D and capital expenses abroad...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Scott Brim) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:43:33 GMT

Nightwatch2: .... You appear to assume the PLA is sitting still and that we are advancing. The reverse is far closer to the reality. If we don't wake up soon, we will have lost the qualitative edge that we rely on to redress the quantitative imbalance...... again (and again and again) ....... Today, target practice. by 2020 it will be about even and by...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:57:16 GMT

"You re-making the same mistake over and over - stop looking at the hardware and start looking at the system as a whole. Yes, there is a qualitative parity with the Flanker and the Super Hornet in individual terms, but, you have to put it in context. The Super Hornet enjoys the qualitative edge in information warfare. "

no, I am not making the same mistake over and over again. You are. The Super Hornet will not necessarily have the edge in information warfare in 2020 nor...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (steevy) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:55:44 GMT

I think Scouse mentions the Air Force contribution I was thinking of.I can think of a few others not involving F-22's flying BARCAP.....

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (flyingdutchman1980) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:54:36 GMT

Nightwatch2 wrote:

wabpilot wrote:

Nightwatch2 wrote:
Again. Today - target practice. Tomorrow is a different ballgame and we are not building the capabilties that will enable us to prevail in the future. It is not decades away. It is within the next decade. By 2018, our capabilities...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Scouse) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:02:43 GMT

Nightwatch

But consider my earlier example, the advanced SuperFlankers that the PLA already has in service are qualitatively equivelant to our F-18E/F block 2 with some significant advantages in range and payload over the SHornet. You may or may not want to believe that, but in general terms that is a true statement. I will quote a couple of current SH guys who, when pressed to describe their aircraft independent of the pilot training and tactics levels,...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Gernsback) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:10:32 GMT

I'm as against complacency as anyone but you seem to leave out the US Air Force and it's contribution in such a conflict.

What contribution? Are Raptors going to be flying BARCAP over the carriers now? As far as I can see, the USAF doesn't have much of a role to play in a war with China, it's going to come down to China's naval assets and the USAF isn't too hot at ASuW. Plus of course they could shut down Kadena with...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (steevy) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:45:36 GMT

I'm as against complacency as anyone but you seem to leave out the US Air Force and it's contribution in such a conflict.Or are we going to get caught on the ground with our pants down by a reign of rv's?I don't see the technological parity you seem to see.China is vast and a potentially formidable opponent.China also has many weaknesses.Most of the population still lives in conditions little better than the 19 th century,the prosperity so far has applied to maybe 200 million...

Re: china the largest navy in the world

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:09:21 GMT

wabpilot wrote:

Nightwatch2 wrote:
Again. Today - target practice. Tomorrow is a different ballgame and we are not building the capabilties that will enable us to prevail in the future. It is not decades away. It is within the next decade. By 2018, our capabilities will be in doubt. By 2030, the pendulum will have swung against us fairly decisively....

china the largest navy in the world

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