FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/6117/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Sun, 04 May 2008 02:05:54 GMT Fri, 30 May 2008 01:28:46 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/6117/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/81063/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-81063 lmah wrote:
Guilherme, this is what we are planning for the Brazilian Navy : several four-pipers transfered while waiting for modern units.

DD-88 Robinson for Sept 42 (quick work to join the game)
DD-93 Fairfax for Sept 42 (quick work to join the game)
DD-108 Williams for Jan 43 ; one boiler removed to take more fuel (Atlantic escort)
DD-127 Twiggs for Jan 43 ; one boiler removed to take... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Guilherme Loureiro) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/81063 Fri, 30 May 2008 01:28:44 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/80814/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-80814
DD-88 Robinson for Sept 42 (quick work to join the game)
DD-93 Fairfax for Sept 42 (quick work to join the game)
DD-108 Williams for Jan 43 ; one boiler removed to take more fuel (Atlantic escort)
DD-127 Twiggs for Jan 43 ; one boiler removed to take more fuel (Atlantic escort)
DD-133 Hale for the end of 43 ; one boiler removed to take... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (lmah) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/80814 Tue, 27 May 2008 19:18:26 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/80386/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-80386
BTW, Mark, I'm still unable to access the restricted parts of the FFO board. I sent a PM to Shane on the 18th, but got no answer yet.
]]> feeds@yuku.com (Guilherme Loureiro) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/80386 Fri, 23 May 2008 20:40:49 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79769/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79769 MarkLBailey wrote:
Did you get access to Shane's site? I have opened a Brazilian topic there.

I can access the board, but not the restricted rooms. I'll correct this right now.

]]> feeds@yuku.com (Guilherme Loureiro) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79769 Sun, 18 May 2008 13:37:57 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79757/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79757
Did you get access to Shane's site? I have opened a Brazilian topic there.

Cheers: mark
]]> feeds@yuku.com (MarkLBailey) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79757 Sun, 18 May 2008 04:38:09 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79711/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79711 ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Guilherme Loureiro) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79711 Sat, 17 May 2008 15:57:25 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79697/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79697
From what Guilherme says, Sao Paulo may be in better condition than I certainly thought. Given the number of obsolete BB, is another (which requires close to a reconstruction) actually needed? While I'll certainly defer to Guilhereme on this, the Brazilian Navy will really need a training Squadron of some size. Sao Paulo and the two old cruisers seem to fit the bill.

That said, perhaps refitting Sao Paulo as a training ship might be an option?

Cheers:... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MarkLBailey) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79697 Sat, 17 May 2008 13:54:49 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79404/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79404 feeds@yuku.com (Roller007) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79404 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:54:25 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79391/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79391
Cheers: Mark
]]> feeds@yuku.com (MarkLBailey) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79391 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:11:19 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79306/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79306
FFO chronology assumes Brazil goes to war in March '42 (about at the same time than Mexico - we recently detailed Mexican declaration of war against Axis, very similar to OTl, but 2 months earlier).

Frank ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Casus Frankie) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79306 Tue, 13 May 2008 15:48:57 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79233/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79233 Dragon was taken over on 12 January 1943, retaining her British name. Being a CTL after being torpedoed in July 1944,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Pengolodh) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79233 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:26:09 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79231/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79231 I checked the subs "leased" to Poland, as indicators of availability.
1 - ORP Jastrzab - ex-USN S-25, ex-RN P-551; as this ship was laid down in 1918, using it in 1942 points to some desperation, I think; It was taken over by the RN in 1941, passed over to the Polish Navy while refiting in the US.

2 - ORP Sokol - brand new U class ship, laid down Dec. 1939, launched Sep. 1940, to Polish Navy - Jan 1941

3 - ORP Dzik - brand new U class ship, laid... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (borys68) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79231 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:21:07 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79224/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79224
About São Paulo's material state, I got a real good look on the Minas Gerais and São Paulo section at Navios de Guerra Brasileiros. 'According to some sources' São... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Guilherme Loureiro) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79224 Mon, 12 May 2008 14:46:57 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79218/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79218 Guilherme
My source for crew sizes are two sites. First one is Navios de Guerra Brasileiros(Brazilian Warships), at http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79218 Mon, 12 May 2008 12:44:28 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79167/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79167 On subs - the Polish navy was given subs by the RN.

Borys ]]> feeds@yuku.com (borys68) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79167 Sun, 11 May 2008 20:46:58 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79166/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79166 On subs - the Polish navy was given subs by the RN.

Borys ]]> feeds@yuku.com (borys68) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79166 Sun, 11 May 2008 20:42:04 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79163/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79163 feeds@yuku.com (Guilherme Loureiro) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79163 Sun, 11 May 2008 19:56:12 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/79122/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-79122
There is also the issue of dilution. Good prewar crews can be diluted 1:1 very quickly, although it makes the CO and XO really, really unhappy!.

So overall, if the growth rate is kept from going wild, and a shore training infrastructure is developed to keep pace... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MarkLBailey) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/79122 Sun, 11 May 2008 05:55:41 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/78981/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-78981
Regarding manpower for the 'new' DDs and possible cruisers, I'm doing an estimate as I type this reply. Brazil had 10 Pará class TBs in the early 30's(4 were retired before Brazil joined the war), as well as the Acasta(WWI 'K' class) class DD Maranhão(former HMS Porpoise). I'm getting crew sizes of 81 for the Pará class, and 142 for Maranhão(surprisingly, another site lists the Acasta... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Guilherme Loureiro) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/78981 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:21:07 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/78967/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html#reply-78967 feeds@yuku.com (MarkLBailey) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/78967 Fri, 09 May 2008 10:50:45 GMT <![CDATA[ FFO - IJN Trade Protection Planning and Shipping ]]> http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/6117/t/FFO-IJN-Trade-Protection-Planning-and-Shipping.html FYI, FFO is still bubbling away. Imah and much of the Paris crew are working on the 1940 French Campaign, the North African Campaign, Abyssinian campaign and so forth (these are sort of 'backfill' activities triggered by constructive criticisms noted on this board and investigated on the FFO Team boards). On the latter, we have one in English and one in French, thank the Lord for babelfish!.


There are two major papers under development, the British and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MarkLBailey) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/6117 Sun, 04 May 2008 02:05:54 GMT