Artcic currents may be warming the world

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:09:55 GMT

kell553 wrote:
Just another addition to the warming puzzle that the models couldn't account for.
Pacific Decadal Oscillation Shift
With the PDO shifting into a cool phase we could see 20-30 years of Global Cooling and world wide weather pattern shifts.
Add to it the noted relationship between...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (kell553) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:18:47 GMT

Just another addition to the warming puzzle that the models couldn't account for.
Pacific Decadal Oscillation Shift
With the PDO shifting into a cool phase we could see 20-30 years of Global Cooling and world wide weather pattern shifts.
Add to it the noted relationship between temps and solar activity and this could get rough. A PDO cold shift coupled with a solar...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (jim3au) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:31:13 GMT

Nightwatch, those acronyms of yours will take some beating.

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feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:33:41 GMT

"If I was Nightwatch I am not sure that I would be relaxed with all those "experts" on my side. When all the weather forecasters are on the same side unless the weather had already happened, I would be nervous."

the so called "experts" are not at all on the same side. Nor am I complacent about what the weather will be over this next year.

We are in a big petri dish right now with the competing theories (and CO2 warming is still just one...

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feeds@yuku.com (JBG) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:51:04 GMT

"I will admit that yesterday was cold in NSW with some places approaching records for this time of year."

Jim, yesterday was the coldest April day in Sydney for about 60 years. Strangely it started out as a beautiful crisp autumn's day when I drove into the city at about 6 am in my MX5 with the roof down ( I'd been too lazy to put the roof up the night before ). At 4 pm going home it was much, much cooler with a serious windchill. Days like that...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (kell553) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:08:43 GMT

Consider what you just mentined:
China has had record melts of winter snow.
It would stand to reason that for record melts you would first hae record snowfall. Only now the AGW mob (after having ignored the snowfall records) now point to the spring melt as a point of proof.
All the protagonists from both sides of the debate are saying that 2008 will not be a record year.
Which contradicts what the AGWers and their models have been telling...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (jim3au) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:30:47 GMT

In parts of Southern Australia, March was breaking all sorts of heat records. South Australia and Victoria were hot and stayed hot. China has had record melts of winter snow.

I could keep telling you that the reason for the world not breaking a record for the hottest March was the contiguous states of the USA but the really funny thing is that March was pretty cool in the USA and some parts had record snow falls. Did some parts get record rain falls too? So with all that...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (DCmontana) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:38:08 GMT

The only large area of the Northern Hemisphere to have above average temperatures this winter was western Europe. Every place else of significance had a cooler winter and much of the area was just plain cold. The winter is hanging on, the mountains are full of snow, double talk from the First Church of the Global Warming Faithful will not change the truth. Has the earth warmed over all in the last 25 years? Probably! Is it caused by human activity? Possible! Is it part of a natural...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (kell553) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:22:22 GMT

Never mind that the National waether service issured Winter Storm Warnings(!) last week, the temps in Calgary were below freezing for 5 strait days, snowfall for 26 April:
Waterton, SD---19"
Pelican Rapids, MN---18"
Wahpeton, ND---18"
Clear Lake, SD---17"
Victor, SD---16"
Fergus Falls, MN---15"
Bemidji, MN---12"
Donnelly, MN---12"
And of course, Anchorage Alaska. The heaviest snowfall ever recorded this late...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (jim3au) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:11:25 GMT

Warmest March on Record

Something interesting, a few somethings actually. It was the warmest march on land and only the 13th warmest on the ocean. Those interesting currents doing their thing again.

If the ocean currents change when the land is hot, things will really heat up.

Probably because of the ocean currents,...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:29:31 GMT

kell553 wrote:

Patrick Moore, founder of Greenpeace
I guess it just took a while longer for a dose of common sense to finally break through his hard Bolshevik heart.

Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (kell553) — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:05:42 GMT

Patrick Moore, founder of Greenpeace
I guess it just took a while longer for a dose of common sense to finally break through his hard Bolshevik heart.

Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power
He's getting on the right track regarding AGW, and...

Re: Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:26:08 GMT
good article. I've read several similar articles over the last few years and these underscore the natural causes of climate change and the utter failure of the models currently being used to accurately replicate the complete environmental system of coupled atmospherics, oceanography and solar impacts.

Artcic currents may be warming the world

feeds@yuku.com (PMN1) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:22:06 GMT
From New Scientist

THERE may be more to global warming than we thought. On top of the effect of human-made carbon emissions, natural changes in the warm ocean currents travelling to the icy north may be helping to heat up the entire northern hemisphere.

Temperatures in the Arctic are rising far faster than in other parts of the world. Climate models produced by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which are tuned to reproduce the human-made...