Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Sat, 24 May 2008 22:58:13 GMT

taschoene wrote:
Design rights may or may not belong to the government -- in general that only happens for winning designs. (Sikorsky building Apache parts is due to an industry-to-industry deal, not government assignment of the workshare, I believe. And it's more than just tailplanes; Sikorsky also supplies some of the flight avionics and other assorted bits.)

Actually, Sikorsky was...

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Sat, 24 May 2008 22:52:37 GMT

...As taschoene mentioned, the F401 was the P&W engine that was supposed to be in the F-14.

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Razor) — Sat, 24 May 2008 17:03:04 GMT

ASTER 30

All this mano a mano crap has had its day just blow em away and get on with the war

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (taschoene) — Fri, 23 May 2008 01:10:36 GMT

emc wrote:
which is why some F-401 engines were (are?) built by P&W, not GE

??? The F401 was always a Pratt design; GE never built any that I know of. Besides, the F401 never saw widespread production, since it was meant for the abortive F-14B Super Tomcat. The later F-14B and F14D were powered by GE F110 engines.

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (taschoene) — Fri, 23 May 2008 00:49:17 GMT

Design rights may or may not belong to the government -- in general that only happens for winning designs. (Sikorsky building Apache parts is due to an industry-to-industry deal, not government assignment of the workshare, I believe. And it's more than just tailplanes; Sikorsky also supplies some of the flight avionics and other assorted bits.)

But regardless of the assignment of design rights, any attempt to export the F-23 would run afoul of a couple of other major obstacles....

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Thu, 22 May 2008 22:26:30 GMT

Gunnersmate04 wrote:
What would prevent Northrop/MD from selling the F-23 to another country? building here for export to anybody willing to pay for it?
GUNNER

As with most other military hardware, the rights to the F-23 are owned by the US government, which is why some F-401 engines were (are?) built by P&W, not GE, and the USArmy could have given production of the AGT-1500 to Garrett (which was, I...

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Gernsback) — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:26:42 GMT

What would prevent Northrop/MD from selling the F-23 to another country? building here for export to anybody willing to pay for it?

Congress and the Department of Defense.

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Gunnersmate04) — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:38:31 GMT

What would prevent Northrop/MD from selling the F-23 to another country? building here for export to anybody willing to pay for it?
GUNNER

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (taschoene) — Thu, 22 May 2008 01:37:03 GMT

The Russian S-37 (aka Su-47) forward-swept wing design was a one-off demonstrator and is not being further developed. They've been through a couple of iterations of new designs (MFI, now PAK-FA, for which the Sukhoi T-50 was chosen). They seem to be getting more conventional as they go; the ultimate design may be something a bit like a cross between the Su-27 and the F-22.

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Gunnersmate04) — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:13:47 GMT

Anyone catch the latest "DOGFIGHTS" on the History Channel last night? It was a 2 hour special on the Generation 5 fighters (F-22,F-35.etc.) against the purported threats on the horizon. The Russian's have some foward swept wing in development and the Rafael was the other matchup. Scenarios were 4 Raptors vs. like 14 Mig-30 or 21 Mig-29's.
Very interesting, of course all conjecture as it has never happened but it showed the few flaws the F-22 may encounter.
GUNNER...

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Desertfox) — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:31:19 GMT

As I've heard it, the Black Widow was faster and more stealthy than the Raptor, the Raptor however had thrust vectoring. I would give the edge to the Black Widow in BVR, and to the Raptor WVR. However they are too closely matched to accuratly predict a result. Course the Black Widow wins hands down in the cooleness factor!

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Gunnersmate04) — Tue, 20 May 2008 20:39:14 GMT

Where was the Black Widow better than the F-22? Could it have beaten the RAPTOR in a equal pilot scenario?
GUNNER

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Bunzov Steele) — Tue, 20 May 2008 00:06:08 GMT

That's awesome! I bet Chuck would be as formidable in the air as he would be as a CIWS onboard a ship (with a machette). Awesome, simply awesome.

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Belushi TD) — Mon, 19 May 2008 19:54:39 GMT

The best fighter to face the F-22 is Chuck Norris in a jet pack.

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feeds@yuku.com (hulahoop7) — Mon, 19 May 2008 11:58:38 GMT

I understand that the Meteor will be a great leveller in BVR contacts. Certainly one on the side for the EF / Rifraf. If Meteor gets into the F35 you might have a very interesting prospect.

Don't EF and Rifraf also have IR, and I understand that Captor isn't a slouch?

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (taschoene) — Tue, 13 May 2008 02:59:05 GMT

Can a Tomahawk hit a hardened aircraft shelter? Absolutely! The typical description of TLAM accuracy is that it can not only hit a specified building, but that it can pick which window to fly though.

Can it penetrate? Well, the usual blast-frag warhead might not penetrate the top of an HAS, but the missile can probably impact directly on the door, which is likely to be unpleasant for whatever is inside. I don't recall whether the Tactical Tomahawk Penetrator variant has...

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Desertfox) — Tue, 13 May 2008 02:12:10 GMT

Yeah but my point was that the shelters themselves were taken out by 2,000lb LGBs dropped from F-117s, not by TLAMs. I know the F-117s had support, and the airfields where blasted by just about everyone, but to take out harden shelters you need pin point accuracy and a good warhead. Can the TLAM do it?

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Michael Hoddy) — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:00:16 GMT

Desertfox wrote:
The premise of the TLAMs was to knock out the Irani F-14 force, can they do it?

Do they have the range (Iran is much bigger than Iraq)? Do they have the accuracy to hit harden shelters? Do they have the warheads to take out the shelters? Will there be enough of them to take out every single shelter? What if the F-14s are airborne, can they take out the airfields? What's going to launch them?...

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (FreeloaderUK) — Sat, 10 May 2008 21:35:08 GMT

the latest Mig29 might stand a chance, afterall she's recently made toast of a Georgian UAV & those have low radar cross sections

Re: Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Fri, 09 May 2008 17:55:31 GMT

Desertfox wrote:
The premise of the TLAMs was to knock out the Irani F-14 force, can they do it?

Do they have the range (Iran is much bigger than Iraq)? Do they have the accuracy to hit harden shelters? Do they have the warheads to take out the shelters? Will there be enough of them to take out every single shelter? What if the F-14s are airborne, can they take out the airfields? What's going to launch them?...

Best fighter today to face against F-22 Raptor?

feeds@yuku.com (Admiral Beez) — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:27:55 GMT

Barring early introduction of the F-35, which fighter aircraft of today stands the best chance against the F-22 in either a single one-on-one dogfight or as a larger six-on-six engagement?

A few picks that might stand a chance....

Mikoyan MiG-35 (albeit, more than just one will need to be built)
JAS 39 Gripen
Dassault Rafale
Sukhoi Su-35
Eurofighter Typhoon
Chengdu J-10

I believe that none of these aircraft will have the comparable...